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What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Post by horns4lyfe »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #25
akmarinov wrote: post #13

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+1 on the coworker thing, with traditional office jobs you’re friends with those guys and you’re close and then you or they change jobs and you never hear from them again. All along it was just being in close proximity and seeing each other every day that kept you together. That’s not friendship.

This ignores the large number of people who do find meaningful and Lasting friendships through their workplace, let alone spouses. The number one place where Americans met their married partners was at work It out ranks mutual friends, hobbies, and College.

And the idea that you can’t make friends working remote dismisses the idea that you can actually make friends through shared interests in a remote environment instead of just proximity and mutual suffering.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Post by horns4lyfe »

Please don’t try to take away something lots of people enjoy by generalizing your experience. Just because your life is lacking something doesn’t mean everyone working remote has the same issue, and this is the kind of shit commercial real estate people will try to use to say “See! We told you you need an office !”

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

Supermancho wrote: post #65
_s wrote: post #27

Working from home, or remotely is not for everyone - neither is being in an office. Some folks thrive in an office environment, they value the things it provides - a schedule, a time, a reason to get up and out, socialising with others, being out in the world. It comes at a cost of time and a bit of freedom; you don't really get to choose the hours or where this happens, neither the folks you interact with. Others pr…

> Working from home, or remotely is not for everyone - neither is being in an office. Upper management has always been wfo or wfh as it suits them. The 2 groups (wfo and wfh) of mid-low tier "office workers" are far from equal in size. The majority rather be remote. Most of the wfo people realize their limited value is less visible remotely, as is their opportunities for getting opportunistically involved in processe…

yes, much hard to justify their bullshit jobs remotely, they actually have to do some real work to try and posture.

we need a general clear out of middle managements, there are too many useless people in the workforce who only serve to demotivate the people who do the real work

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Post by agentdrtran »

epicureanideal wrote: post #176
lars512 wrote: post #156

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To make new friends, you should try to find an activity you enjoy and a group you can join regularly (e.g. a meetup). If the activities are weekly, one could be enough. If monthly, pick up a couple of different ones. Over months you end up slowly building the relationships with others that you’ve missed. I had to do this after moving to a new country, it made a big difference in the end.

Good advice, but difficult in practice. Many activities stopped meeting in person during the pandemic and have barely started to resume them. And there are fewer than you would think. Has anyone had success with this that they can share?

my city has multiple recreational sport leagues that are active, and I spend a good chunk of time volunteering and have met some great people that way.

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Post by bradlys »

getYeGone wrote: post #149

I graduated in 2020 into what was supposed to be a “regular” in-person job, that was turned into a fully remote job due to Covid. I ended up hating it there, and since have found a new primarily-remote job that I love. My life feels hopeless. I wake up, go to the gym, and then work from 9–8. I work so much because I have nothing better to do. Then I watch a movie or some garbage on YouTube and go to bed. I have no fr…

This happened to folks before WFH. Often you’d join a team that was full of people 40+ who had no interest or commonalities with someone in their early 20s (and no interest in bridging the gap). These things happen in office too.

It’s a common experience for young people today because our social fabric is weaker than it has been in the last 100 years. (Read some Robert Putnam to understand)

I’d suggest getting some social hobbies like ultimate, dancing, running groups, board games, etc. A lot of these groups/hobbies exist because there’s a ton of people like you who are feeling socially isolated and want to make friends.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Post by s1artibartfast »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #201
s1artibartfast wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This ignores the large number of people who do find meaningful and Lasting friendships through their workplace, let alone spouses. The number one place where Americans met their married partners was at work It out ranks mutual friends, hobbies, and College.

And the idea that you can’t make friends working remote dismisses the idea that you can actually make friends through shared interests in a remote environment instead of just proximity and mutual suffering.

Who said anything about suffering? I enjoy spending time with friends at work. Whether that is working together on a project, chatting, or having a beer on company time.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

solarmist wrote: post #92
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #70

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People can still be social when working remotely. People can be satisfied working remotely without having social reserves and social skills/circle. I definitely consider myself closer to someone who sees work as a piece of their life than someone who completes tasks for money. I love working remotely.

I’m not implying differently. But it’s not built-in to the structure.

Nothing is built into the structure. I think folks are taking this for granted. You have to consciously create such structure regardless of the conditions. It's possible to have anti-social office environments too.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Post by gumby »

bicx wrote: post #110
gumby wrote: post #79

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I think the poor ability to use spare time is a feature, not a bug, when you are young.

I agree with this, and I’m not sure exactly why. Maybe because life doesn’t have to be about optimization, but we make it that way as we get older, and in a way, we lose mental freedom.

Also when you are young you don't have enough experience to decide what you like and don't. So focus would be a premature optimization.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Post by Fnoord »

jawns wrote: post #81
tpmoney wrote: post #71

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>There is also a somewhat of divide between introverts and extroverts between which they prefer, but of course - there are many in either camp leaning the other way too. Yeah, as an introvert, seeing the constant assertion that only extroverts want to work from the office is very frustrating. It is because I am an introvert that I want to work from the office. Sure, I struggle with interacting with people in general…

On the flip side, I'm an extravert, but I have stopped considering anything but 100% remote work. I get my energy from others, but that doesn't mean we have to share the same physical space. I used to spend 2 hours a day in a crappy commute, and for an extravert, that sucks. Now I get to spend that time around people I enjoy.

I know extroverts who love their commute. They call colleagues and get stuff done while traveling. Its working, IMO.
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