Its clear that the broken element in this process is not the AI banning the writer of the post, but the poor presumably human review
It's telling that the AI doesn't just flag something, without banning it, and let a human do a proper review.
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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter
#32I'm in Thailand and just get this message: We've discontinued servicing users from your location and are thereby preventing access to any of the websites owned and operated by ZAM Network, LLC DBA Fanbyte (the owner of Fanbyte.com): This decision is ultimately one we were forced to make due to the number of visitors from your region when compared to the operational costs necessary to continue providing access there.…
Could you please elaborate? Twitter stopped working with particular ISP because of cost related problems?
Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter
#33This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…
> Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations
Here's the problem I have with this analogy. Is it analogous to a public square (as in public property, owned by the state, maintained by tax payer money)? Or is it a private property that allows people to congregate for free but puts up ads to raise money, and many consider it as good as a public square, because most people they like hang out here. And like any business, they choose to deny service to some users (and not all users agree on this). Also, there are multiple such private spaces.
Maybe the real solution is just like in the physical world, there should be state owned online spaces that are real "public spaces" and denying service here would be the govt denying rights.
Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter
#34> But there’s also a larger thing here where Twitter apparently has moderation tools so powerful that they can immediately trigger bans for things other than what they’re actually looking for. The actual execution leaves a lot to be desired here, but the itchy trigger finger cannot be denied. Somehow they can do this, but racial slurs are generally pretty okay, white supremacy is largely ignored, and every Twitter tr…
And engineers and PMs more than happy to look the other way when their creations go so wrong.
I can't help but wonder how much actual revenge porn is missed because their classifiers are this terrible.
Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter
#35A few people commenting on the post say they to had a similar bans when clipping through the world and a grey screen was shown. Maybe the solid gray is triggering the AI to pick any policy violation that had gray in it once...
Or, as suggested by another commenter, the AI is triggering off of the camera moving quickly downward while pointing upward, which is similar to upskirting videos.
Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter
#36Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…
There are a few of these platforms now, like hive, lens protocol, member.cash or deso.
Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter
#37This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…
Eh, I don't buy the public square argument.
The online world is a cesspool filled with bots and crazy people. I don't need to voice my opinion on Twitter, nor is Twitter a place I need to be.
What matters is how we relate to the people around us, in our communities. Your neighbor isn't a bot, the barista at the coffee shop isn't a russian troll. We need to stop taking the "online world" so seriously and connect with the people around us more.
Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter
#38Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…
> ...By publishing our stuff on a decentralized database that is open for anyone to read in whatever way they like?
1. Isn't it how web1 work? 2. Who's going to pay for the storage and bandwidth? 3. As long as you hare hosting something on planet earth, the server is bounded to be governed by a country. And I am sorry to say, if a piece of content is considered illegal to the government of the country where the server is physically located, they can shut it down, no?
Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter
#39This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…
Twitter is not "the public square". It is a night club.
Confusing private, for-profit businesses for public assets does a disservice to, and leads to ideas that are damaging for, both.
Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter
#40Its clear that the broken element in this process is not the AI banning the writer of the post, but the poor presumably human review
Good human reviews are, well, nearly impossible at the scale of Twitter or Google. It would require employing hundreds of thousands of reviewers, training them, and paying them decent salaries for one of the most horrible jobs in the world. So, everybody is trying to automate as much as possible in this area. I am sure that in this case, if there is a human even involved in the escalation, it takes them a few seconds…
Funny how you get downvoted for saying something everyone on HN agreed on when "Open Letter from Facebook Content Moderators" was published, with comments like "That is a simple problem for which Facebook should be able to apply existing technology. There is a lot Facebook can do, but they are not, because they are lazy.", calling for more automation and less traumatic moderation work.