A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter • Hacker News Board

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by Avicebron » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:02 PM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #16

mkl95 wrote: post #10

> Overnight, I received a response that my appeal had been denied. So a human being, someone who works at Twitter dot com, looked at that video, looked back at the rule it was breaking, looked once again at the video, and went “Yeah, this all checks out.” My guess is that appeals are either processed by some simple code or offloaded to some cheap labour service - such as Amazon Mechanical Turkey or some sweatshop in…

It’s Mechanical Turk . Although Mechanical Turkey sounds cooler. :)

strapping a turkey to a keyboard might actually be more effective...

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by matthew-wegner » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:02 PM UTC

TekMol wrote: post #13

Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…

Why does it need to be "web3" and not "RSS"?

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by TrianguloY » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:03 PM UTC

Companies play by the rule "better sorry than safe" but force their users to play by "better safe than sorry".

As others have mentioned, they main issue is not the autobanning (it sure is a false positive, those things inevitable happens on mass-scale products) but the appeal rejection that fails to detect it.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by crote » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:04 PM UTC

atemerev wrote: post #4

jhanschoo wrote: post #2

Its clear that the broken element in this process is not the AI banning the writer of the post, but the poor presumably human review

Good human reviews are, well, nearly impossible at the scale of Twitter or Google. It would require employing hundreds of thousands of reviewers, training them, and paying them decent salaries for one of the most horrible jobs in the world. So, everybody is trying to automate as much as possible in this area. I am sure that in this case, if there is a human even involved in the escalation, it takes them a few seconds…

Your point being? If you are building a many-billion-dollar company on user-submitted content, moderation is pretty much a necessity. A hospital can't decide not to sterilize because it is "too difficult" either, can it?

Especially when it comes to Google, which tries to entangle itself in every aspect of your life, being banned from all services without any potential for a proper review just because a neural network decided to throw a hissy fit is completely unacceptable.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by Alex3917 » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:05 PM UTC

How long until people start selling DRM technology that purposely prevents people from sharing clips of games on Twitter and Facebook by embedding adversarial GAN attacks to trick the AI into thinking that they contain illegal content.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by weird-eye-issue » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:06 PM UTC

I'm in Thailand and just get this message:

We've discontinued servicing users from your location and are thereby preventing access to any of the websites owned and operated by ZAM Network, LLC DBA Fanbyte (the owner of Fanbyte.com):

This decision is ultimately one we were forced to make due to the number of visitors from your region when compared to the operational costs necessary to continue providing access there. It was a tough decision but one that we ultimately had to accept. This is an indefinite decision. We genuinely apologize for the inconvenience this will cause all of those who reside within your region.

Note: This is not related to Russia/Ukraine or any other political/military actions around the world.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by tsukikage » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:07 PM UTC

TekMol wrote: post #13

Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…

You want to push content in a decentralised fashion? Run your own website, and provide an rss or atom feed so people can use their own aggregators. We've had this tech since the 90s.

It involves effort, though - not much effort, but a little more than posting on Twitter, Tumblr or wherever; and this, it turns out, is sufficient.

> I fight hard to read the web in my way.

Turns out most people posting content don't want to fight hard to post it, and most people reading content don't want to fight hard to read it, and this is why twitter, facebook et al are big things, rather than everyone just having their own sites and decentralised syndication.

If something else is to take twitter's place, its barriers to entry must be at least as low as twitter's.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by TekMol » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

matthew-wegner wrote: post #22

TekMol wrote: post #13

Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…

Why does it need to be "web3" and not "RSS"?

How do you prevent someone from copying your RSS and making it their RSS? Where is the proof that you published it first?

How do you show that you have many followers when you publish via RSS?

How do you "like" something you read via RSS?

How do you comment on it?

How do you like and comment in a way that proves your identity?

How do you prove to the world that your identity is important - aka that you have lots of followers and likes?

These are the bits and pieces the digital social fabric is made of. Currently it is all owned by companies.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by jsheard » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:08 PM UTC

A couple of months ago it was discovered that posting this little guy https://i.imgur.com/Bzo3Vae.jpg on Twitter would instantly earn you a 12 hour suspension for doxxing. Fuzzy image matching works in mysterious ways.

https://twitter.com/Raddagher/status/1533326201602707458

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by noSyncCloud » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 1:09 PM UTC

Sakos wrote: post #8

> But there’s also a larger thing here where Twitter apparently has moderation tools so powerful that they can immediately trigger bans for things other than what they’re actually looking for. The actual execution leaves a lot to be desired here, but the itchy trigger finger cannot be denied. Somehow they can do this, but racial slurs are generally pretty okay, white supremacy is largely ignored, and every Twitter tr…

Same thing on Reddit. You can basically advocate for genocide, completely unhindered, by calling entire classes of people "degenerate" (literal Nazi rhetoric), but get banned for calling it out.