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What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Honestly, how can you all be so unwilling to push back that you tolerate starting at 8 instead of 10 because the commute vanished? I'd walk if the longer day was enforced rigidly (e.g. by constant monitoring or meetings).

Because it's easier on the non-Pacific time folks. Instead of Eastern time folks starting at 1300, they start at 1100. It also helps coworkers who want to move to other parts of the US, at the expense of those of us still in Pacific timezones. This way Eastern time folks can sign off at 1900 instead of 2100, which makes it easier for us to work synchronously if needed across the US. Before we went all remote we tende…

Ah right. 'Ending earlier' is definitely crucial information. I hope 'tend to' means >> 50% of the time.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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> Be deliberate about arranging calls with coworkers, friends, family. Just hang out on a call. Go for a walk while you take these calls, or do something other than sit in a chair. I'll second this. I started a new remote job recently where we're encouraged to regularly schedule virtual coffee time with coworkers where we don't talk about work. It goes a long way towards fostering relationships.

You're telling me your solution is to do the same thing we used to do with forced birthday party celebrations, but more frequently? UGH!

Not everyone is like you and that’s ok. Some people enjoy having connections with other people, even if they’re not best friends.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Because it's easier on the non-Pacific time folks. Instead of Eastern time folks starting at 1300, they start at 1100. It also helps coworkers who want to move to other parts of the US, at the expense of those of us still in Pacific timezones. This way Eastern time folks can sign off at 1900 instead of 2100, which makes it easier for us to work synchronously if needed across the US. Before we went all remote we tende…

Ah right. 'Ending earlier' is definitely crucial information. I hope 'tend to' means >> 50% of the time.

Yeah tend to means "> 90%" as it heavily inconveniences Eastern time employees if we go later.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Guy sounds like he lives alone and is depressed. I have exactly none of these problems. Go to sleep by 8:30, wake up around 3 every day, no alarms, no explicit schedule, no planning. It's just habit. I don't need to find stuff to do. I keep the house clean. Keep my car clean. Complete renovation projects. I don't find it takes much mental energy at all to work out every day. What the heck else am I gonna do waking up…

Funny thing, to me, is most of the problems described in the article were problems I had with unemployment. Working from home solved my problems. I do not want, necessarily, to be friends with my work mates. I have an other life, and there my friends are. The person writing that article needs to go back to the office. Not me

Exactly. Just find friends and activities to do.

It's like they are not getting what it's being discussed here: no more commuting, more productivity and more time.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

#146
Not mentioned but I see as a increasingly large problem is mentoring new hires and juniors and seeing them improve and get promoted. It's absolutely just not the same anymore and I believe that it will bite many industries hard.

I'm not saying that it's impossible to mentor people online, but here's the issue as I see it...When I physically worked with people, I'd them having trouble, I could see their body language, notice they were coming into to work later, looking unenthused. I'd develop their social skills. The bandwidth was way, way higher. Problems were ok because though I'd go over to their desk, sit with them and teach them things, teach them to communicate, develop their social skills, go get coffee and talk about their problems, they'd ask questions and we might go to lunch together and talk a bit more about things and work through. We'd form a bond. What I'd get out of this bond is more capable people around me at, what felt like, a lower price than with remote work.

Now, mentoring for most people is a way bigger sacrifice. I mean, I could be out riding my mountain bike rather than mentoring newbies or sit on the phone listening to their issues.

I'm also simulating a social scene based on previous work social life. I know what the important of conversing with my peers is like. I remember how to do it. I perpetuate it with online work. Not everyone can do this.

When I worked in an office there was a clear distinction between my two lives, my work life and my free time. I was happy to give my work life and time to others. I went out of my way to do it. Now all my time seems more precious and I don't want to give too much of my free time away. This is great in the short term but it's bad in the long term, I can see it affecting our team negatively already. There is a growing gap between the less experienced people and the people who can learn and grow on their own, autonomously. It's like some people have a level of knowledge that makes them immutable to the isolation of remote work, for them remote work is 100% ok. Others don't have the skills yet to cope. The people who don't have the ability to perform and work autonomously aren't schooled, they're scorned, they're annoying, they're stopping people from accessing their endless free time gained from being good at what they do.

There's a raft of other issues that go with this too, timezone barriers, the fact it's super easy to avoid people so they can hide issues and their feelings with less effort. I could go on. Anyway, I believe this will become more of a problem as more experienced people retire and stop schooling the younger crowd.

Time will tell, it will be interesting to see how all of this pans out. I'm 100% loving remote work , I'm not trying to say there is an inherit issue with it, just going to have to solve this problem, I can only imagine it getting worse over time if younger people stop physically attending college. Good bye another mechanism for developing social skills...

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

#147

It’s not an unfair set of points and this one rings true harder than most: > It’s extremely hard to be friends with your co-workers. You have to go out of your way to reach out and be available. Friendships don’t happen “organically” like they do in the office …because, most people seem to think they can just on their asses all day, don’t post on slack, don’t talk to anyone other than on standup and just get work don…

>> It’s extremely hard to be friends with your co-workers. You have to go out of your way to reach out and be available. Friendships don’t happen “organically” like they do in the office >…because, most people seem to think they can just on their asses all day, don’t post on slack, don’t talk to anyone other than on standup and just get work done. >So many tickets done. >So totally miserable. Oh no, people being prod…

I'm sorry that you think being productive at your job is the only thing that's important in your life. Maybe you've just gotten really unlucky with the people you work with, but for me, finding people I actually enjoy spending time with really improved my quality of life at work significantly.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

#148

It’s not an unfair set of points and this one rings true harder than most: > It’s extremely hard to be friends with your co-workers. You have to go out of your way to reach out and be available. Friendships don’t happen “organically” like they do in the office …because, most people seem to think they can just on their asses all day, don’t post on slack, don’t talk to anyone other than on standup and just get work don…

> So many tickets done. So totally miserable. Sorry, I can’t hear you over having a life outside of work. (That life is almost entirely centered around my dog, we have amazing adventures almost every day, AMA) > Sitting all day is bad for you, and it forces you to take breaks. So it’s only mostly bad for you ;)

"Working with people you're friends with" and "having a life outside of work" are extremely not mutually exclusive. You can work with people you enjoy working with and still work 8 hours a day.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

#149
I graduated in 2020 into what was supposed to be a “regular” in-person job, that was turned into a fully remote job due to Covid. I ended up hating it there, and since have found a new primarily-remote job that I love.

My life feels hopeless. I wake up, go to the gym, and then work from 9–8. I work so much because I have nothing better to do. Then I watch a movie or some garbage on YouTube and go to bed. I have no friends. On the weekends I try my hardest not to think about other people my age (24) going out and having fun. I haven’t had fun going out with friends since college in 2019. The only things keeping me going are the gym and my work.

The days where my two teammates and I coordinate going into the office together are a nice reminder of what having friends was like. Ultimately, I go home and I am alone.

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