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What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Working from home, or remotely is not for everyone - neither is being in an office. Some folks thrive in an office environment, they value the things it provides - a schedule, a time, a reason to get up and out, socialising with others, being out in the world. It comes at a cost of time and a bit of freedom; you don't really get to choose the hours or where this happens, neither the folks you interact with. Others pr…

I’ve found the best option to be a hybrid. 2 days remote, 3 in office.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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As a long time remote worker I can emphasize with some of the points in the article. However, if you think willpower is a limited resource or that keeping a daily schedule requires a lot of mental energy then maybe working remotely or without an imposed schedule and supervision just isn't for you.

Discipline is certainly important but it's important for everything. As more of the people I work with moved to remote work the ones who have struggled tend to be the younger ones without much actual work experience. A lack of discipline combined with unrealistic expectations seems to play a large role in whether someone is dissatisfied with remote work.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Some people just aren't up to working remotely permanently. Those who need to be social with colleagues and this author says that when they mention they want colleagues to be friends. Not me. I want colleagues to be just that. I don't need to tell them what I did at the weekend as it's my business and I don't care what they did. Willpower is a learned skill that you can fine-tune so you are focused on your work. You…

This seems strange to me. hey, I'm going to spent 40hrs a week with others, let's make sure I don't give a shit about them..... Vs, wow, I'm going to hang out with friends 40hrs a week. Sounds fun! I'd pick the 2nd always. 3 of my best friends in the world are ex-coworkers and 1 more was a friend before but we started a company together at one point so we're we were co-workers. Another close friend I got managed to c…

But I'm not going to spend 40 hours a week with you. I'm working for an employer and might intersect with you a few times a day. I'm there to do work not to do the social scene.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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As the world opens up, working from home doesn’t have to mean living from home. A lot of structure and friendship can come from self-selected groups and activities, not just those who the organization put on your team. The author mentions a lack of willpower to implement solutions, and I totally get it, so if there’s just one thing I would strongly suggest getting a personal trainer, which several people described ch…

> working from home doesn’t have to mean living from home

Work from home. Live in the office. Keep 'em guessing. Blaze your own trail.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Some people just aren't up to working remotely permanently. Those who need to be social with colleagues and this author says that when they mention they want colleagues to be friends. Not me. I want colleagues to be just that. I don't need to tell them what I did at the weekend as it's my business and I don't care what they did. Willpower is a learned skill that you can fine-tune so you are focused on your work. You…

+1 on the coworker thing, with traditional office jobs you’re friends with those guys and you’re close and then you or they change jobs and you never hear from them again. All along it was just being in close proximity and seeing each other every day that kept you together. That’s not friendship.

Most people don't keep up contact with with most people they even meet socially if they move away. The ones you do are special, it's silly to discount everyone who you wouldn't keep in touch with minus proximity.

Everyone's different and you do you, but from a social person's perspective the interactions in the moment have value and can bring joy whether or not I'm going to be friends with that person in 20 years.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Have you considered coworking at a closer destination? I've been working on distributed teams since around 2011, though I have been contracting from home for five years before that. In the very first distributed team I joined, the eng director made it a point to: - Have everyone gather in-person periodically by flying everyone to HQ - Making coworking spaces available - Traveling to the different cities to meet with…

Co-working is not a substitute for working with teammates. To give an extreme example, "Hey, I wish I had a live in partner who gave me hugs and shared in my ups and downs but I don't" -> "You could hang out at a coffee shop and talk to random people" (not as a way to meet someone but as a substitute for having a partner) There's something about working on the same project, collaborating, brainstorming, in the same s…

You can still have that by getting the team together every so often for a week or two of intensive meetings and planning. Many companies new to remote since COVID have skipped this part, maybe because it would mean admitting that remote is here to stay and not just a temporary contingency.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Working from home, or remotely is not for everyone - neither is being in an office. Some folks thrive in an office environment, they value the things it provides - a schedule, a time, a reason to get up and out, socialising with others, being out in the world. It comes at a cost of time and a bit of freedom; you don't really get to choose the hours or where this happens, neither the folks you interact with. Others pr…

I’ve found the best option to be a hybrid. 2 days remote, 3 in office.

But only if everybody else is on the same schedule

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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They should get a dog - it forces you to wake up at a certain time - you get some exercise in - you go outside and have micro social interactions - if you take them out at a certain time after work, it’ll come let you know that it’s time, so you won’t overwork - they’re great antidepressants - great for company when your partner is gone 4AM to 7PM

I think this is good advice. Sadly in some places it's hard to have dog. Example, went to an apartment site, ~2000 listings available. Checked "allows dog", dropped to ~280

But, unless that's prior to filtering on location, that sounds like enough? You have to narrow it down somehow.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 on the coworker thing, with traditional office jobs you’re friends with those guys and you’re close and then you or they change jobs and you never hear from them again. All along it was just being in close proximity and seeing each other every day that kept you together. That’s not friendship.

Like you said, most of the time, you don’t get actual friendships with co-workers. But, being in close proximity, and sharing experience makes it more probable to foster friendships. I had a lot of colleagues in my last job, and I have become friends with 2 of them. So the odds are not big. But it’s bigger than my current remote only job.

That and you might meet non-coworkers through your work acquaintances. A lot of it is just expanding the opportunity space of potential social connections.

Re: What I don’t like about working at a remote job

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Like anything we've likely swung too far in one direction with the remote thing. I go into the office and travel quite a bit for work, I spend roughly every other week with my team (~10 people) and am having the time of my life. After doing the remote thing for a long time, I don't see myself doing that again for a long long time, if ever.
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