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Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by pklausler »

altdataseller wrote: post #36
ThePadawan wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using LinkedIn as a source of data is completely pointless. I see the same exact position posted 20 times by the same 3rd party recruiter. I see positions posted as listed in Zurich with a title of "Software Engineer, Bangalore Office (relocation provided)" which is listed 30 times for the 30 biggest cities in the world. I see positions deleted and being re-created daily to pop up in job seeker's filters again. You c…

Yep, getting job statistics from Linkedin is a bad idea simply because Linkedin don’t track “unique” jobs.

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Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by Victerius »

Tao3300 wrote: post #73
ThalesX wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of the top reasons people are happy at work, salary is way down on the list. > It is important, it makes it possible to pay bills, but it isn't what makes people happy. Meaning, if you are looking for a place you will enjoy working, do not start with salary. This feels strange to me… I have a minimum salary for which I wouldn’t consider working for a company even if they offered me flying rainbow unicorns. It’s not…

Likewise, I have a minimum salary for which I will move giant hunks of manure with my bare hands and love it so much I'll sing arias about it while I do so. It's a really big number, but I assure you it exists.

I'll bite. Would you take the job for $300 000?

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by time_to_smile »

memling wrote: post #81
time_to_smile wrote: post #70

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> before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Care to mention what they are? Because I suspect your ranges are out of line with industry standards that have risen quite rapidly. I know because I've started responding to any recruiters that sound interesting asking for comp ranges and they are all below my current base, let alone TC. If the upper bound of your range doesn't exceed $350k there is…

> If the upper bound of your range doesn't exceed $350k there is no chance that any of the senior engineers I know will apply and honestly to get something to think about leaving a job they are moderately happy with you'd have to have that be the lower bound of your range. Outside of SV, that upper-bound is an absolutely wild number.

That's not true at all anymore, at least not for TC.

An insane number of startups have IPO'd in the last two years, and even with stock drops a lot of people suddenly have RSUs. In addition the rise in remote work has meant that near SV pay is much easier to obtain. Very few of my friends live in SV and I only know a few who aren't making at least that amount at the senior level.

That number is not at all wild for an upper-bound.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by lucasmullens »

codegeek wrote: post #64
praptak wrote: post #9

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I don't like having to ask.

Don't ask. Tell. "Hey just to ensure that we are on the same page, I am ideally looking for a minimum of $xyz/year. Is that in the range for this role ?". Then pause and wait for their response.

That's one quick way to get exactly a salary of $xyz, and with the word "ideally" in there you're admitting you'd go slightly lower.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by m348e912 »

I am currently working with a friend who is searching for remote tech jobs. I even went through the internal job board at my company. No salary ranges posted anywhere.

And while I agree salary should not be a top priority when looking at a position, it does answer one interesting question. Am I qualified for this position. You would think a job description would answer that question. But most people already know that job descriptions are wish lists, not requirements. Pay range really tells me how qualified an applicant needs to be.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by bilsbie »

kokanator wrote: post #32

We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…

Keep in mind it’s really easy to trick yourself into believing the salaries you’re offering are aggressive.

I bet 80% of companies would say they have above average salaries.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #98
Tao3300 wrote: post #73

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Likewise, I have a minimum salary for which I will move giant hunks of manure with my bare hands and love it so much I'll sing arias about it while I do so. It's a really big number, but I assure you it exists.

You think this is true, and might even be willing to go through the motions for the money, but if I expect you to truly love what you do and look for ways to improve the quality and throughput of your manure handling operations the money is not a good indicator or motivator.

If I have to shovel shit with my bare hands for a few months and it means I'll be financially independent for the rest of my life, you bet I'll love the manure out of that job!

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by kif »

kokanator wrote: post #32

We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…

> Of the top reasons people are happy at work, salary is way down on the list

You're conflating being happy at work and being happy to accept a job offer. You can be pretty well paid, and end up being not happy, and vice-versa.

If the offer is not good enough, the applicant won't accept it. What happens after you join a company doesn't have to be related to how much you get paid -- although it can be, sometimes.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by srvmshr »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #99
srvmshr wrote: post #42

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Maybe its a cultural thing, but doing that in a Japanese/Asian setup is a big red flag - to the point my recruiter wife has to warn foreign nationals they may not hear back from the company anymore. Salary negotiation is kept at the very last step. Personally I feel it is such a waste of time to discover if the salary doesn't meet your expectations after 3-5 rounds of song & dance.

It has nothing to do with culture. It is simply a reflection of the supply demand curves for labor giving labor buyers much more negotiating power.

But Japan has always been a tech labor-shortage economy. That should incentivize employers to be advertising compensation. I am probably understanding your answer wrong. Could you please elaborate?

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by makk »

kokanator wrote: post #32

We just went through a large hiring cycle. We posted two versions for every job posting- one with salary ranges and one without. The ads performed equally well in regard to total responses with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges. And... before you say, perhaps your salary ranges were bad, they weren't. Our salary offerings are very aggressive to the developer's benefit. In my opinion,…

> with the better candidates responding to the ones without salary ranges

Do you have hard, objective evidence to back this up? Very easy to imagine someone reading their personal biases into this observation.

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