Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges • Hacker News Board

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by ThePadawan » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:31 PM UTC

ElijahLynn wrote: post #22

This is true. I respond to most recruiters now that I won't even talk to them without a salary range. And then they send it right over.

I personally find that 90% of the responses I get to salary requests are:

"I would love to chat to you on the phone about this on the phone with you!"

"How dare you ask me that, you should be thankful for me even writing to you with this incredibly vague offer in the first place."

I tried responding to ~20 recruiters with a copy-pasted question about salary, and none responded with anything even close to a salary range, only the responses above.

Needless to say, I have simply given up responding to recruiters at all.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by srvmshr » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:31 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #5

> No need to waste time with 7 rounds of interviewing only to find out the salary is 50% of what I currently make. You can just ask at the end of the first interview. I've never had a problem doing so.

Maybe its a cultural thing, but doing that in a Japanese/Asian setup is a big red flag - to the point my recruiter wife has to warn foreign nationals they may not hear back from the company anymore. Salary negotiation is kept at the very last step.

Personally I feel it is such a waste of time to discover if the salary doesn't meet your expectations after 3-5 rounds of song & dance.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by ivraatiems » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:32 PM UTC

cygned wrote: post #37

We don’t post salary ranges right now. We are a small firm and cannot keep up with the salaries from enterprises in our area. We are looking for (and finding) candidates that are willing to sacrifice parts of their salary for 100% remote, flexible work time, PTO and others. We decided to screen applicants in an informal phone call and discuss salary options at the end, after they had a first impression of how we are…

Why not post the range and say what you just said?

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by cygned » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

ivraatiems wrote: post #43

cygned wrote: post #37

We don’t post salary ranges right now. We are a small firm and cannot keep up with the salaries from enterprises in our area. We are looking for (and finding) candidates that are willing to sacrifice parts of their salary for 100% remote, flexible work time, PTO and others. We decided to screen applicants in an informal phone call and discuss salary options at the end, after they had a first impression of how we are…

Why not post the range and say what you just said?

Concern was that it still turns down too many, maybe we were too careful.

We have another vacant position soon, I might try it.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

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Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by virtual_void » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

cygned wrote: post #37

We don’t post salary ranges right now. We are a small firm and cannot keep up with the salaries from enterprises in our area. We are looking for (and finding) candidates that are willing to sacrifice parts of their salary for 100% remote, flexible work time, PTO and others. We decided to screen applicants in an informal phone call and discuss salary options at the end, after they had a first impression of how we are…

Why wait for the interview? Post an advert that explains exactly this.

People would who are not prepared to make that trade off will skip you and you’ll be left with people that are.

There have been times where I’d have been ok with that trade off but would have skipped over you for not making the salary clear.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by myself248 » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

jstx1 wrote: post #25

> Most jobs on nation-wide job boards do not post a salary range. I will not even click on those job postings. It's simply not worth it. Not everyone is like you. I don't think that you can generalize based on the criteria you use to filter out companies.

Yeah, but there's an adage in customer service that for every customer who tells you what's wrong, ten more walked out without saying anything. That may apply here.

Personally, I'm 100% on board with OP's point. I've been putting out feelers lately, and I likewise interpret an unstated salary range as a warning sign. Who knows if they speak for the majority, but they're certainly not alone.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by bayareabadboy » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

I feel completely the opposite. Why would I apply for a job with an upper limit of a salary range? That doesn’t really make sense to me. Also it’s an incredibly easy thing to sus out in a phone screen.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by bonestamp2 » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

hyperrail wrote: post #23

https://www.coloradoexcluded.com/ It seems to have been less active lately, but based on what you say, that may not be because employers are responding to the incentive...

That's a great site. I've also noticed in the last couple months, many jobs (although not most), have started to list salaries for Colorado employees. It's a good ballpark for the rest of us at least, and I like this trend.

I post the salary range for all the jobs that I list because it's a waste of everyone's time if we don't meet each other's expectations on some of those important points before investing more time in finding the right fit.

Recruiters don't like to post the salary range because they want to have a phone call with every candidate. There may have been a time when that made sense for them, but that time is not now. The job market is not the used car lot it used to be.

Re: Tell HN: You can't hire because you don't post salary ranges

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Post by beowulfey » Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

Applying (or hiring) for jobs is just like online dating. If there is something that stands out about you that may be an important factor in someone finding you appealing, it is worthwhile to be clear about it up front. If someone does care about it, they will pass on you, but you will get overall higher quality candidates from those who don’t mind or don’t rank the property as highly. It saves everyone time this way.

I am a short man, and I have firsthand experience in this by posting my height on my dating profile. I got fewer matches when I did, but those who matched after were always way better dates!