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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by refulgentis »

smileybarry wrote: post #558
fyzix wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook isn't forcing Android users to install their apps from an alt store so that point is moot

If you're browsing the web version of Facebook, the banner to install their app links directly to an APK, not Google Play. "Better with the app" shows in a bunch of places alongside a "accidentally broken" suggestion bar whose "X" doesn't work. Messenger refuses to work on the web and requires you to download the app, unless you pretend to be a desktop browser. Source: I refused to install Facebook's app while on And…

This isn't the case, there's 0 chance Facebook redirected people to instructions to pull this off

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by xdennis »

giantrobot wrote: post #363

This should have been named the Law of Unintended Consequences. In the most abstract, opening up mobile and messaging platforms is a Good Thing. Unfortunately it is going to cause a mass of real world problems and will have significant negative consequences. Requiring alternate App Stores will mean Facebook, Epic (Tencent), TikTok, and Scams R Us will all set up their own app stores. Their apps will slowly move to th…

> Requiring alternate App Stores will mean Facebook, Epic (Tencent), TikTok, and Scams R Us will all set up their own app stores.

Where are the these app stores for Android?

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Post by bagacrap »

hestefisk wrote: post #92

European democracy at its best. Proud to be European today.

this is democracy? Seems like extortion and protectionism to me. If this affected any European companies I would just call it anti-business, but instead it's clearly xenophobia.

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Post by bagacrap »

bgdam wrote: post #585

I hope this means Apple is finally forced to start competing on features and not just on being able to block apps from their platform. Case in point: Push notifications for PWAs. If there is an alternate browser that supports this, that can be installed on iPhones, Safari is going to get this real quick.

that would be a great outcome! Sadly I think you overestimate the reach of PWAs.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by xdennis »

endisneigh wrote: post #28

I’m curious if this will result in fragmentation in the phones themselves.

I don't know what type of fragmentation you're referring to, but at least this act requires them to allow communication between companies (i.e. what phones were created for in the first place).

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Post by makeitdouble »

tgv wrote: post #612
makeitdouble wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that’s really how it rolls out, doesn’t it also mean that Safari wasn’t viable on itself and nobody wanted to use it in the first place ? Apple is no underdog anymore, if their browser couldn‘t compete on its own merit I won’t be crying a river over it. Firefox, while mired with its own problems, is another story; but I don’t see Mozilla losing from this decision.

That’s not how it work, is it? You can trick people into installing Chrome, and once that’s done, they won’t switch back, unless Apple tries to trick them. I can already hear the outcry when that happens.

That's kinda arguing for keeping people chained in the basement because they have a high chance of getting mugged if they get outside.

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

fariszr wrote: post #415
a4a4a4a4 wrote: post #194

I'm not sure how I feel about this. My gut instinct is that opening these things can lead to a ton of malware and fake app stores, which will lead to a not-insignificant number of people being victimized. I'm also annoyed that the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech, and subsequently has very suppressed tech salaries, but is so ready to regulate the American companies that make the world go 'round.

> I'm also annoyed that the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech, and subsequently has very suppressed tech salaries, but is so ready to regulate the American companies that make the world go 'round Because its almost impossible to compete? These companies have so many resources, its impossible for any local competitor to compete. Amazon can just crash the prices till the competition dies, Google can just not al…

> For example WhatsApp has many many better alternatives, which have better features and better privacy, but it still the #1 because of the monopoly it has on communication.

No, it’s because users don’t feel the need to switch. I have uninstalled WhatsApp 4 years ago, same time when I deleted my Facebook account. Haven’t had a single regret. When people ask me to contact them via WhatsApp, I tell them I don’t use it. Anyone can do that.

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

izacus wrote: post #440
bun_at_work wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire history of Android is filled with malware stories. Google has gotten better about moderating their PlayStore, but there have been plenty of flashlight apps or similarly dumb apps that are just rootkits, bitcoin miners, or more malicious forms of malware.

AppStore is also filled with malware apps (including explotative flashlight apps and apps that trick you into subscriptions). Yours is a throughly debunked argument.

Awesome, there will be more of those soon.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bagacrap »

notanormalnerd wrote: post #377
plandis wrote: post #251

One would think that if there is truly a Europe wide market for such an unlocked device a competitor should be able to challenge Apple and Google dominance. Europe could even subsidize it. But instead, it’s more engineering by bureaucrats. Why is Europe so afraid of competing in the open market?

Because it is not "one market". There is free movement of good, services, money and people. But it is still 28 similar markets with different cultures, different languages, different bureaucracies and sometimes different currency. It is 400 million people but comparing the EU to the US is wrong on so many levels. Also calling the US an "open" market is like saying China is a "free" democracy. "One would think that if…

> our market, our rules

Do you really believe the EU would be better off if all US businesses left?

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