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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by fariszr »

danjoredd wrote: post #556
fariszr wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm also annoyed that the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech, and subsequently has very suppressed tech salaries, but is so ready to regulate the American companies that make the world go 'round Because its almost impossible to compete? These companies have so many resources, its impossible for any local competitor to compete. Amazon can just crash the prices till the competition dies, Google can just not al…

Sounds like pure copium to me.

Well its happening anyway, and companies can face fines up to 20% of worldwide revenue if they don't comply.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by alkonaut »

yoavm wrote: post #100
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

Having used iPhones since the very earliest ones, I also fear this might turn it into an Android situation. I like iPhone because I know it’s likely the page works in Safari since iOS+Safari is a large customer group. While choice, a diverse web, competition & all that is important, I personally wouldn’t want anything but a walled garden monoculture in most cases. Being able to integrate a different voice assistant??

Sideloading apps as an advanced user concept sounds great. But if users who switch on their iPhone for the first time had to @choose a store”, that would be an absolutely terrible UX.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by mullingitover »

shadowgovt wrote: post #101
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Possibly. The other possibility is it will make it impossible to buy an iPhone in Europe. It certainly puts a huge incentive on Apple to figure out technical solutions to problems like "How do we get other browser engines on this thing without compromising a hundred OS assumptions, battery performance, or user security," but it's also possible Apple decides that's a no-go and it'll cost more than 25% of annual revenu…

> That's fine; win-win for the EU market because it clears the playing field for a European-originated competitor to the iPhone.

I think that's what the EU is hoping for. Their technology industry completely failed in this space, so for them it makes perfect sense to simply drive competitors out of the market entirely. Worst case for them is that the international competitors actually comply.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by motoxpro »

amelius wrote: post #235
brtkdotse wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

> the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. Yeah, but now you can choose which walled garden you lock yourself up in, so it's even better.

Your walled garden gets better, mine (existing Apple ecosystem) gets worse. Less people -> less revenue -> less developers/features/customer support. Just want to highlight the no free lunch in this situation.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by cced »

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Do you think that this would mean providing these new services to phones outsides of the EU i.e. would the whole world benefit from this?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by alkonaut »

tayistay wrote: post #275

I have a modular synthesizer app for iOS [1]. Will this legislation force Apple to let me JIT? (That’s a key restriction that prevents competing browsers.) Would be great for performance. [1] http://audulus.com

It might force Apple to allow you to distribute a version of your app on a different store or sideloaded from a file, which doesn’t necessarily follow the restrictions on the official App Store. That’s how I understand it at least.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by neodypsis »

Bilal_io wrote: post #660
neodypsis wrote: post #199

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> Install any software > Install any App Store and choose to make it default I wonder if, just like in Android, this will open the doors for a lot of malware targeting iOS users.

What malware? I've been using Android for over 10 years now. I've never had an issue personally. But I consider myself tech savvy and I don't install apps from untrusted sources. Also, iOS had multiple 0-days in the past. So you don't need to give users freedom over their paid for devices for them to be compromised.

Sure, iOS has had 0-days in the past. Which major OS/Hypervisor hasn't? The point is that Android is more susceptible to "lower hanging fruit" attacks, such as in the examples below.

For example: https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/camscanner-malicious-android-...

Very recent example: https://www.techradar.com/in/news/more-brutal-malware-laden-...

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by alkonaut »

golemotron wrote: post #565
capableweb wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that the EU is the second largest consumer market in the world (at least according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_marke... ), it seems like that point is kind of far away.

Could be as early as winter. Things are not very bullish for the EU right now given their energy situation.

You are suggesting the bad energy situation due to the war would make the EU a market small enough to ignore for any tech giant?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by arrosenberg »

nemothekid wrote: post #178
bloppe wrote: post #81

It blows my mind how many people have bought into Apple's position on this. No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security. You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. If you're not confident in your ability to tell shady from legit, just stick to the App Store. Don't demand that Apple treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.

> You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. For some reason every Linux user assumes everyone is as smart as they are and anyone who doesn't take the time to learn whatever esoteric config file to manage their DE is a child that can't tell left from right. Somehow the decade of directed scams and proliferation of malware and spyware isn't a problem and it's the developers "right" to be able to turn…

> For some reason every Linux user assumes everyone is as smart as they are and anyone who doesn't take the time to learn whatever esoteric config file to manage their DE is a child that can't tell left from right.

Notably, most of the non-technical users I am acquainted with manage to use Windows, which will also let you install any software package you want if you click continue on the warning.

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