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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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So true. On my Pixel phone, which allows alternate app stores, I had to update the Adobe Updater to update Adobe Reader, Epic EpicStore to update Fortnite Update Store to update Fortnite, TenCent Store to update Grindr, and finally F-Droid Pro Max Store to update Signal. Why do I have to download so many app stores on Android!!

Did Google removed IDFA yet? No. So FB is OK with Android so far.

It's on its way

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/16/google-plans-android-privacy...

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Yeah, and that unsecured Linux is destroying the world! It’s not about making products less secure. That’s what apple makes you wanna think. It’s about giving customers choice. They can stay in Apple ecosystem (I will for example). Or they can not. Companies like Apple will have to work much harder now, to give both users and developers enough value to justify being locked in.

> They can stay in Apple ecosystem Nope, Adobe will make sure all its apps require Adobe App Store. Same for Facebook with Whatsapp. No more stupid Apple store restrictions, yay!!

Strange, this isn't an issue on Android.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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The writing has been on the wall for years. Sounds like a problem of their own creation.

I think they assumed, like the rest of us to a degree, that "it will never happen". If this kind of "ffs, just effing solve it with a law already" kind of law comes through, I'm seriously considering moving to an EU country.

That’s why I moved here five years ago from the US. It’s actually pretty easy, depending on where you go.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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To all the folks that worry that Apple won't any longer be able to police Facebook: We can regulate that too. We can some really draconian rules wrt. what can and can not be collected etc. See, with a working governing body, the people wins.

GDPR is great. USA don't have it, we do. Regulation works here. (Not always, not enough, it have unintended side effects and all that. But letting the big tech guys run the world instead: No thanks.)

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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While I am in the camp of apple allowing side-loading, i am not a fan of monopolistic regulations like this. It opens all kind of questions, like 1. What devices have to comply? 2. Who decides what device has to comply? Should playstation open their system too. What about a niche bank transaction signing device that internally uses an android capable hardware. Is this illegal now? 3. What about a car infotainment sys…

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Negative interest actually, I sold my tech stocks early this year, while as an app developer the revenue cut we get are likely to increase after this kicks in. I am more inclined to explain the consequences and incentives of these actions rather than their intentions.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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The writing has been on the wall for years. Sounds like a problem of their own creation.

I think they assumed, like the rest of us to a degree, that "it will never happen". If this kind of "ffs, just effing solve it with a law already" kind of law comes through, I'm seriously considering moving to an EU country.

There is no "if this comes through". The law was adopted, all that's left is a formal step (getting the law signed) and then a standard waiting period (six months to allow companies to adapt).

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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“I oppose this legislation that will bring massive good because I can imagine a few edge cases that have almost certainly been addressed but weren’t explicitly stated in the summary I glanced at.” This type of comment is everywhere on the Internet and completely predictable.

Frankly I don’t see how this legislation could possibly bring massive good. For one I like my iPhone how it is and don’t see how I could possibly benefit from this passing. As an American I think regulation should only be enacted when absolutely necessary, and these laws seem anything but necessary. I’ve rarely seen convincing cases of innovation being stifled or people being harmed by Apple’s walled garden approach.…

I bet you would have said the same thing when Microsoft killed browser competition decades ago using its Windows dominance. Fortunately, the govt acted against Microsoft.

If Microsoft continued its monopolistic practices, it's very likely that the iPhone that you like so much now won't be existing today.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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EU-based *aaS companies are practically nonexistent relative to US-based ones, so there's basically nothing holding them back from passing bills like this one gerrymandered to (i) companies with a global market cap above €75B, (ii) with 45 million European users, (iii) and an included web browser or messaging app. If they had companies satisfying those criteria, they'd certainly see more pushback. I personally like t…

Retaliate for what? There are zero rules and regulations in the US concerning these big behemoths. Those senate hearings are just laughingstock kinda theatricals.Just watch back the Microsoft Antitrust Depositions with Bill Gates.

"No vehicle from an auto manufacturer with annual global revenue exceeding $150B USD is eligible for EV credits unless they also offer a hybrid or electric vehicle with MSRP $27000 or less."

Oh, only the European VW and Daimler would be impacted? Such a shame.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This sounds awesome to me and some really good changes. We have these powerful devices and they are just shit in terms of what we are allowed to do. We live in the future and it has been ruined by corporations. Why can’t I play a YouTube video in safari and then open my snap and have a call with my son while listening to my song and have both of us enjoy that same song. That is just one example of I am sure hundreds of cool features that have been blocked by devices. I hope these new rules show that we deserve better devices and that no we are no where near peak technology.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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How does Apple have a monopoly? The only thing that comes close is the App Store, which requires you buy an iPhone, which is not the most common mobile device. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/europe Further, other phone companies start from nothing and become quite successful in market place, and some fail, but consider OnePlus - they decided to make a "Flagship Killer" and are still delivering high…

> How does Apple have a monopoly? They have monopoly power and control over app developers' access to iPhone users. If supermarkets offered a loyalty card program that made it physically impossible for you to shop at another supermarket, then this would be a monopoly/anti-trust issue too, even if no supermarket had a majority share of the market. The usual response of Apple fans is "You can just buy a second phone",…

That example only works if you were denied using the actual loyalty card for shopping at another market, which is actually the case? Nothing about the Apple ecosystem means you can't buy an Android and continue using it
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