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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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My worry is that it will just not be enforced, just like the GDPR. The GDPR wasn’t watered down but in the end it just wasn’t enforced (at least not enough) against the biggest offenders it was meant to regulate.

https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

That's it? and mostly for pennies? Jesus no wonder so many companies just ignore it.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Does it mean Google will have to enable call recording APIs on Android? That would be sweet. Currently none of call recording apps work on my phone and this is a must have feature for me. When I take a call with my doctor I have to use my separate memo recorder, so that I can refer to the call in the future if I forget something. Let's not mention usefulness of this feature when you are placing orders over the phone…

> If I could record a call I had evidence in case of dispute. It might not be legal to do that, in all cases, and the evidence might not be valid.

Generally informing the other party you are recording is enough consent if they stay on the line. Plenty of customer service lines do that with an automated voice: "This call may be recorded (for quality control purposes)". So their party has already been informed that the call will be recorded, and there's no expectation of privacy.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Europe’s requirement of those pesky cookie notices have killed the joy of surfing the net. Every goddamn site has this stupid cookie popup show up. It is like playing whack-a-mole. They should have instead only allow necessary cookies and marketing and other cookies should be part of signing up for a specific service and not just visiting the website. The thought is noble but the implementation sucks.

EU requirement was to inform users on how the data collected about them will be used and give them a choice.

Cookie notices was the industry response, ignoring the spirit of the law and complying at a minimal rate

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #458

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> the walled gardens are clearly a market failure I wouldn't call it a market failure, there's plenty of benefits with wall gardens and it's not done solely for profit. BUT there's also drawbacks and places where walls don't make sense. Not being able to install arbitrary apps from various app stores provides security, UX consistency, and stability of the software. But there's also drawbacks for things like privacy o…

> Given the benefits/drawbacks, the best solution is to have options in the marketplace. Android has those options. Please point me to this great privacy and security conscious competitor to Google Play Store.

F-Droid, probably

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Europe’s requirement of those pesky cookie notices have killed the joy of surfing the net. Every goddamn site has this stupid cookie popup show up. It is like playing whack-a-mole. They should have instead only allow necessary cookies and marketing and other cookies should be part of signing up for a specific service and not just visiting the website. The thought is noble but the implementation sucks.

Cookie notices > having tracking cookies enabled by default with no easy way to turn them off

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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I'm sort of surprised at the positive tone here. Sure, it's nice for non-technical people to enumerate a lot of nice to haves, but just asserting something doesn't make it true or possible. As one example, making "core messaging functionality interoperable". How exactly does that work with end-to-end encryption? I suppose we'd need some sort of open system and protocol for all the tricky key sharing stuff? That would…

> How exactly does that work with end-to-end encryption?

One way would be for Apple to offer a web API endpoint for companies that have signed an agreement with them (covering rate limits, server identification certificates, liability, etc.).

In fact, the API could be implemented in iOS itself, so you could have something like "Signal support for iMessage" as an app in the App Store, which would basically be a headless version of the Signal app which delegates all the UI tasks (mainly message display and input) to the iMessage app.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Why is the EU able to pass pro-consumer laws, but America unable to? Are big tech companies just unable to properly bribe the European Union like they do the American Government?

Because tech behemoths are tentacles of the US. Part of the country's global strategy. US is also meddling in EU lawmaking big time. These rules should be brought around 10+ years ago when they were creating the basic rules for their nice ecosystem.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

Same here. I'm dying for a phone that doesn't balk at the idea of long-term support, but I'm simply not using a platform where I can't install the software I want and can't even get a real version of Firefox.

The Fairphone 4 has 5 years of support IIRC.
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