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Post by bequanna »

driverdan wrote: post #235
bequanna wrote: post #209

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> inoffensive tool. Wouldn't that result end up being like "inoffensive art" or "inoffensive comedy"? Bland, boring and Corporate-PC.

To a certain degree, yes. They care more about the image of the project than art. Considering a large amount of art depicts non-sexual nudity yet they block all nudity, art is not their primary concern.

Some people claim to be emotionally "triggered" by images of police. Does that mean DALL-E should also start blocking images that contain police?

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Post by ceeplusplus »

gnulinux wrote: post #145
Jerrrry wrote: post #110

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It's not a "problem," it's an unwanted shard of reality piercing through an ideological guise.

How's it NOT a problem? If I'm trying to produce "stock people images", and if it only gives me white men, it's clearly broken because when I ask for "people" I'm actually asking for "people". I'm having difficulty understanding how it can be considered to be working as intended, when it literally doesn't. Clearly, the software has substantial bias that gets in way of it accomplishing its task. If I want to produce "…

Black people comprise 12.4% of the US population, yet they are represented at substantially above that in "OpenAI"'s "bias removal" process. Clearly it has, as you put it, substantial bias that gets in the way of accomplishing its task.

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Post by driverdan »

dharbin wrote: post #32

I find it amusing that they suggest DALL-E, which typically generates lovecraftian nightmare images, for making children's story illustrations.

How so? If you give it prompts for children story illustrations with a detailed description it will not give you "lovecraftian nightmare images".

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Post by lancesells »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #120
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #70

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The monkey selfie was not derived from millions of existing works, and that is the difference. If an artist has a well-known art style, and this algorithm was trained on it and can copy that style, would the artist have grounds to sue? I don't know.

> If an artist has a well-known art style, and this algorithm was trained on it and can copy that style, would the artist have grounds to sue? I don't know. While nothing has been commercialized yet on the DALLE2 subreddit, I know that it can do Dave Choe's work remarkably well. I also saw Alex Gray's work to be close, but not really identical either. It wasn't as intricate as his work is. It will be interesting if t…

I'm going to guess there's not going to be much value placed on anything out of DALLE for a long while. Digital art is typically worth much less than physical art and I would say these GAN images are going to worth less than digital art generated by human hand.

There will be outliers of course but I would be shocked if there's much of a market in it for at least the present.

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Post by arecurrence »

neya wrote: post #186

I'm curious to know - does the community have any open source alternatives to DALL.E? For an initiative named OpenAI, keeping their source code and models closed behind a license is bullshit in my opinion.

LAION is working on open source alternatives. There's a lot of activity in their discord and they have amassed the necessary training data but I am uncertain as to whether they have obtained the funding needed to deliver fully trained models. Phil Wang created initial implementations of several papers including imagen and parti in his GitHub account. EG: https://github.com/lucidrains/DALLE2-pytorch

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Post by ceeplusplus »

Jerrrry wrote: post #130
protonbob wrote: post #108

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Honestly I would rather that they not try. I don't understand why a computer tool has to be held to a political standard.

There are legitimate reasons to reduce externalizations of societies innate biases. A mortgage AI that calculates premiums for the public shouldn't bias against people with historically black names, for example. This problem is harder to tackle because it is difficult to expose and resign the "latent space" that results in these biases; it's difficult to massage the ML algo's to identify and remove the pathways that…

That's great, but by doing so you are also inadvertently favoring, in your example, the people with black names. For example, Chinese people save on average, 50 times more than Americans according to the Fed [1]. That would mean they would generally be overrepresented in loan approvals because they have a better balance sheet. Does that necessarily mean that Americans are discriminated against in the approval process? No.

My question to you is: is an algorithm that takes no racial inputs (name, race, address, etc) yet still produces disproportionate results biased or racist? I say no.

[1] https://files.stlouisfed.org/files/htdocs/publications/es/08...

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Post by ozmodiar »

stoicjumbotron wrote: post #221
berberous wrote: post #20

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I think they are reacting to competition. MidJourney is amazing, was easier to get into, gives you commercial rights, and frankly I found more fun to use and even better output in most instances.

Really hope I get an invite for MidJourney soon. Been on the waitlist since March :(

Midjourney is in open beta now. Just go to their site and you can get started right away. I got in and I wasn't even on their waiting list.

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Post by dave_sullivan »

peteforde wrote: post #228

I have been having a blast with DALL-E, spending about an hour a day trying out wild combinations and cracking my friends up. I cannot imagine getting bored of it; it's like getting bored with visual stimulus, or art in general. In fact, I've been glad to have a 50/day limit, because it helps me contain my hyperfocus instincts. The information about new pricing is, to me as someone just enjoying making crazy imagines…

I think people don't realize how huge these models really are.

When they're free, it's pretty cool. But charge an amount where there's actual profit in the product? Suddenly seems very expensive and not economically viable for a lot of use cases.

We are still in the "you need a supercomputer" phase of these models for now. Something like DALLE mini is much more accessible but the results aren't good enough. Early early days.

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Post by lancesells »

bemmu wrote: post #179
aantix wrote: post #168

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Parenting > "Gillette Releases a New Razor for Babies"

I loved how it just consistently decided that if babies have facial hair, it's always white fluff.

I think it's because it's using images of babies with soap on their face to learn. Still funny though!

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Post by throwuxiytayq »

tptacek wrote: post #170
causi wrote: post #133

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Interesting. Considering this is now a paid product, is modifying user input covered by their ToS? If I was spending a lot of money on it I'd be rather annoyed my input was being silently polluted.

Your input isn't being polluted by this any more than it is when the tokens in it are ground up into vectors and transformed mathematically. You just have an easier time understanding this transformation.

Obviously, it's polluted. Undisputably. In a mathematical sense, an extra (black box) transformation is performed on the input to the model. In a practical sense (eg. if you're researching the model), this is like having dirty laboratory tools - all measurements are slightly off. The presumption by OpenAI is that the measurements are off in the correct way.

I'm interested in using Dall-E commercially, but I think some competitor offering sampling with raw input will have a better chance at my wallet.

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