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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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The Open App Markets Act and the American Innovation and Choice Online Act are currently making their way through the House.

What does that have to do with the fact that EU produces virtually nothing relative to its size and economy in terms of tech? They wouldn't have to be constantly passing these knee-capping regulations if they had a competitive industry of their own to spread out the market share. It's downright embarrassing.

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This almost sounds too good to be true. What are the odds of this being watered down, or being delayed into eternity?

My worry is that it will just not be enforced, just like the GDPR. The GDPR wasn’t watered down but in the end it just wasn’t enforced (at least not enough) against the biggest offenders it was meant to regulate.

They did ramp up the potential fines compared to GDPR.

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One would think that if there is truly a Europe wide market for such an unlocked device a competitor should be able to challenge Apple and Google dominance. Europe could even subsidize it. But instead, it’s more engineering by bureaucrats. Why is Europe so afraid of competing in the open market?

Because it is not "one market". There is free movement of good, services, money and people. But it is still 28 similar markets with different cultures, different languages, different bureaucracies and sometimes different currency. It is 400 million people but comparing the EU to the US is wrong on so many levels. Also calling the US an "open" market is like saying China is a "free" democracy. "One would think that if…

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While I am in the camp of apple allowing side-loading, i am not a fan of monopolistic regulations like this. It opens all kind of questions, like 1. What devices have to comply? 2. Who decides what device has to comply? Should playstation open their system too. What about a niche bank transaction signing device that internally uses an android capable hardware. Is this illegal now? 3. What about a car infotainment sys…

Monopolistic regulation? This is clearly aimed against existing monopolies, i.e. gatekeepers. Can you explain how ensuring that 1. Making unsubscribing is as easy as subscribing, and 2. Guaranteed interoperability between instant messaging services, and 3. Sharing marketing and/or advertisement performance with business users will "kill competition"?

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

> User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default Hello, Alphabet world domination. They finally get the chance to get rid of that pesky Safari. Next stop: obligatory sign-in for using a service.

If Apple gets defeated with trillion dollars of budgets and full controls on OS and its ecosystem, it may deserve its failure like IE6.

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>Install any App Store That wasn't one of the bullets in the posted article. Do you have a reference to the language of the law that says this?

I am guessing if you can "install any software" (as the DMA says), then the device manufacturer can't prevent you from installing another app store.

Actually, "software application stores" are explicitly mentioned in the relevant Article 6(4) (https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/PE-17-2022-INI... page 129).

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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The Open App Markets Act and the American Innovation and Choice Online Act are currently making their way through the House.

What does that have to do with the fact that EU produces virtually nothing relative to its size and economy in terms of tech? They wouldn't have to be constantly passing these knee-capping regulations if they had a competitive industry of their own to spread out the market share. It's downright embarrassing.

The point is, it's rather shortsighted to call out the EU for regulating tech when the U.S. and many other governments are actively doing so as well.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Because it is not "one market". There is free movement of good, services, money and people. But it is still 28 similar markets with different cultures, different languages, different bureaucracies and sometimes different currency. It is 400 million people but comparing the EU to the US is wrong on so many levels. Also calling the US an "open" market is like saying China is a "free" democracy. "One would think that if…

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"I don't mean to be presumptuous, but here's a sweeping statement about the entire world economy that assumes Google is representative of every industrial sector there is. Also, any criticism of monopoly power can only possibly come from how jealous other countries are of our American Innovation."

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Monopolistic regulation? This is clearly aimed against existing monopolies, i.e. gatekeepers. Can you explain how ensuring that 1. Making unsubscribing is as easy as subscribing, and 2. Guaranteed interoperability between instant messaging services, and 3. Sharing marketing and/or advertisement performance with business users will "kill competition"?

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Okay, so would it not follow that all regulation is monopolistic by this definition?

Again I am curious how you believe this will "kill competition" by regulating for points 1-3 in my previous post.

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This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

Same here. I'm dying for a phone that doesn't balk at the idea of long-term support, but I'm simply not using a platform where I can't install the software I want and can't even get a real version of Firefox.
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