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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

> * Install any software

> * Install any App Store and choose to make it default

I don't see mention of this in the summary. Where is it described?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

It’s not a popular opinion around here, but the reason I like my iPhone is _because_ it’s a walled garden. It just works, reliably, without surprises, for years on end.

Well, as an average iPhone user, no. The reliability is mediocre.

Keyboard crashing, UI glitching and having wrong dimensions/inoperable sections, occasionally deciding that minimum brightness is the only allowed value and being entirely unresponsive to the brightness slider, some days using waaaay more battery with no battery accounting, sometimes requiring a reboot to use a Qi charger, occasionally freezing and dropping me back to the home screen after what I assume is a crash, sometimes requiring hard reboots as the UI is entirely locked up and doesn't even want to soft crash, ...

I can keep going. And yes, it's a new model that no it's not full of crap and apps. It sees light usage outside reading news sites.

The "apple is more reliable" thing is a myth. I feel that it used to be the case, but I haven't felt like that for a decade.

And no, having anecdotal good experiences is not very useful. I also have those, and so do users of every other platform. Reliability is about the bad experiences, and just works" implies none or at least very few bad experiences.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #81

It blows my mind how many people have bought into Apple's position on this. No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security. You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. If you're not confident in your ability to tell shady from legit, just stick to the App Store. Don't demand that Apple treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.

Ah, it's so easy to write something like this, but...

> No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security.

No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security.

You don't know anything about me. How can you possibly make the call on what makes me secure or not? Not being able to install malware... that is by definition more secure than being able to install malware.

> If you're not confident in your ability to tell shady from legit, just stick to the App Store.

No, you believe that other people who are not confident in their ability to tell shady from legit, can just stick to the App Store.

...but that's not true for some people. Some people make bad decisions. Lots of people make bad decisions. What you believe other people should be capable of, is your choice, but it's (clearly) wrong for a certain cohort of people.

> Don't demand that Apple treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.

You may feel like you're being treated like a child because you are being prevented from doing what you consider to be something you should be entitled to do.

...but, other people feel differently.

You don't represent everyone. Your opinions are not shared by everyone.

> It blows my mind

...that other people have opinions. I know, it's astonishing.

Just because you (and I) personally will be positively affected by this change, doesn't mean everyone one will be. Does the positive benefit to us few outweigh the negative benefit to many others?

I don't know. I'm pretty worried about it. I think it's gonna to end up with a lot of bad things, for a lot of people, who aren't good at making decisions, especially when it relates to computers and other technical stuff.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #223

This is going to be bad. Regarding the iPhone: It will open the door to apps asking me to install their own stores to access them. That will be inconvenient. It will open the door to apps charging me through methods other than Apple’s subscriptions. That will make it harder for me to cancel. It will open the door to malware on the phones of my less technologically capable relatives. On the other hand I will be able t…

How is interop between messengers a bad thing? Wouldn't it be amazing if you wouldn't have to switch between 100 messengers all the time?

Personally I keep a different persona in all those messengers and they are all different in the way that they work and the features that they offer. I’m happy compartmentalising things. Not to mention the spam problem that will likely occur.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #128
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very myopic view of what it’s like for the elderly and less tech savvy. Most aren’t capable of telling the difference and yet they constantly find themselves unknowingly getting scammed. I take it you’ve never had to clean out a horribly malware infested computer for a mother-in-law before?

While this is certainly a problem, I don't accept it as an argument for why we all have to be locked in the walled garden. Just add a system setting that controls the walls. Let people disable it if they want, and tell your mother-and-law to never ever disable it no matter what. If you're worried that they'll be tricked into disabling it, then they probably should not be in control of a bank account or anything else…

> I don't accept it as an argument for why we all have to be locked in the walled garden.

You’re not, even today. You can of course choose not to use an iPhone

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say the summary is in the link, but the first few things you mention are not in the summary, or called out at all in the article. I don’t think this is the “open up your App Store mechanism” regulation, as I believe there are two in flight right now

I read the legislation, included in the link ( https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/PE-17-2022-INI... ). Page 129, for example, details the rules for app and app store installation: >The gatekeeper shall allow and technically enable the installation and effective use of third-party software applications or software application stores using, or interoperating with, its operating system and allow those softwar…

It's odd that this extremely important component is omitted from the press release.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #179

So, if tech companies don't extend these changes to customers in the USA, could I buy an unlocked smartphone in Europe and for use in the USA?

I would expect this would also go in effect on existing iPhones, so it seems more likely that you'd need a European Apple ID/account.

So will google be forced to upgrade all older android sales to be upgraded to the latest release?

If so, they’ll be fined

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #81

It blows my mind how many people have bought into Apple's position on this. No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security. You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. If you're not confident in your ability to tell shady from legit, just stick to the App Store. Don't demand that Apple treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.

It blows my mind how many people have bought into EU's position on this. No, the EU restricting Apple's freedom does not afford you greater choice. You, as an adult, can choose not to buy Apple hardware. If you're not confident in your ability to do that, just stick to Android. Don't demand that EU treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #218

Oh please spare me this crap. This isn't true at all. I knew this was bs before switching to iphone but I was optimistic. Apple AirPlay is just pure trash, so I have to use chromecast. My Apple watch keeps bugging out and notifying me few minutes late and requires restart of both devices. The device keeps connecting to open networks while my remembered home network is available. The camera lens has issues with glare…

> Oh please spare me this crap

Someone else's opinion isn't 'crap'. Like what you have proffered, is as much an opinion as the OP.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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post #113

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

While I agree with this, I'm interested in seeing what the long term security consequences are. These are all the highest risk API and integration surfaces on mobile devices. Also I hope Microsoft get pulled into this as well because they're slowly turning Windows into a marketing device. Edit: as an iOS user I'm optimistic that this will lead to complete device network whitelist capabilities though so you can neuter…

> I'm interested in seeing what the long term security consequences are.

Negligible; most large-format computing devices already allow you to do all of these things.

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