It blows my mind how many people have bought into Apple's position on this. No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security. You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. If you're not confident in your ability to tell shady from legit, just stick to the App Store. Don't demand that Apple treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.
EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
#82This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…
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> Install any malware. Install any Trojanized App Store full of warez and viruses. Use an unsupported browser full of RCE vulns. Use sketchy payment system that steals you card. Use a spyware voice assistant.
Correct. Malware and trojans, everywhere will be unleashed on the average user and will make the crypto wallet an obvious target for scammers and criminals to take payment with and steal the users crypto.
Wallets will be drained via modified, cracked apps or hack tools connecting to dodgy smart contracts, and payment providers will be using anonymous cryptocurrencies like Zcash, monero, mobilecoin (used in signal messenger) etc.
I can only see nothing but the same security issues on the desktop, but now made worse on phones enabling side-loading or alternative app stores.
Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
#83Does this cover it allowing the ability to develop browsers on iOS?
Yes, but Apple will make sure they run at 50% lower speed. /s
Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
#84Looks pretty good, and I wish my country (USA) would pass similar things.
Still, as an Apple customer, I like having Safari pre installed and I like the Message app so I hope it’s functionality doesn’t change.
Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
#85They forgot the noscript/basic (x)html interoperability for the web. That does enable the possibility to use other browsers than big tech browsers. It is related to the "core messaging interoperability".
And making core messaging functionality interoperable is fairly not enough because we already know what they will do to lock users on their software: they will accelerate their planned obsolescence, will increase the complexity/size of their protocol (or open source software) in order to kill alternatives which cannot have full-time bazillions of devs.
Ofc, they will hide their malicious behavior behind words like "they have to evolve/adapt" or other security fallacies (I would not be surprise if corpos(=state?) paid hackers start to abuse the system in order to give corpos "good excuses" to trash interop), etc, well you get the picture.
Simple, but good enough to the do reasonably the job, stable in time is the way to regulate them.
Those guys are smart, their evil will be too.
Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
IMHO, extremely low. The DMA has passed final debate and review, so it's not changing now. The last step is basically a formality. The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. The level of abstraction is just too large. Apple, Google, Amazon, et al., can wage a PR campaign, but it's highly unlikely to succeed.
> The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. For how long, I wonder, given the megacorps have financial resources on par with entire nations, and the EU has been taking some pretty strong stances on topics of interest to them? Or will the megacorps at some point just decide Europe's no longer worth the trouble to operate in (probabl…
Considering how they bend to the local rules around the world, they will bend to this too. I remember only Google shutting down news in Spain and leaving China because of censorship. Apple looks at the money. There are too many money in Europe. They'll put on some sort of a fight but eventually we're going to have third party software on iOS that Apple doesn't approve.
Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
#87Does this cover it allowing the ability to develop browsers on iOS?
Yes, they specifically reference browser engines.
Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
#88They forgot the noscript/basic (x)html interoperability for the web. That does enable the possibility to use other browsers than big tech browsers. It is related to the "core messaging interoperability". And making core messaging functionality interoperable is fairly not enough because we already know what they will do to lock users on their software: they will accelerate their planned obsolescence, will increase the…
> They forgot the noscript/basic (x)html interoperability for the web
Noscript has nothing to do with this.
Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
IMHO, extremely low. The DMA has passed final debate and review, so it's not changing now. The last step is basically a formality. The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. The level of abstraction is just too large. Apple, Google, Amazon, et al., can wage a PR campaign, but it's highly unlikely to succeed.
> The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. [citation needed] The reason this regulations went through easily is that they mostly target foreign operators. It's not the same with all regulations, the EU is a lobbying battleground as much as everywhere else, you can see that in most things, big corps just go through governments when…
If it's a matter of lobbying aka legal bribery, why are foreign companies disadvantaged? These American companies have no qualms about lobbying in America, they could do the same in the EU. If the EU officials prefer to serve the interests of EU companies despite lobbying from both of them, maybe it's because they earnestly believe EU interests are better served by EU companies?
Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved
#90What's the plan for enforcing it? Did the United States sign off on it?
In my opinion they need the US buy-in, and there actually need to be criminal penalties enforced against top executives (jail time) and the other executives need to see it happen. Unless they do that stuff it seems like they may really try to ignore and delay and do the absolute minimum effort.