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Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams

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Post by sinope »

tilgovi wrote: post #83
sinope wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can make an automatic heroku application. I even have a guy who works at Heroku that would help me do it. I could charge instance-hours for a prefabbed EC2 instance image too.

Do it.

    +(ns mastodon.core)
    +  (:use [clj-time.core :only [in-secs interval epoch now]])
    +  (:use [clojure.contrib.duck-streams :only [append-spit]])
    +  (:import (java.net Socket)
    +           (java.io PrintWriter InputStreamReader BufferedReader)))
    +(def network {:name "irc.freenode.net" :port 6667})
ON IT CHIEF

Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams

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Post by vyrotek »

sinope wrote: post #58
leahculver wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it won't remain free forever. Soon we'll having pricing plans that are comparable to existing team chat products.

How unfortunate. I've been working on an open source version of what you're purporting to provide as a service.

Have a link for us?

Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams

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Post by irahul »

jrockway wrote: post #86
peterwwillis wrote: post #68

I know it's brand new and all, but there seems to be a lack of "normal" irc functionality/usability. Nickserv has no 'help' functionality, nicks apparently have to be universally unique across all of Grove (better hope someone doesn't use my name in a different organization?), there's no chanserv. The help page is concise but should probably be printed in MOTD or some other way for non-Web clients (I was confused tha…

there seems to be a lack of "normal" irc functionality/usability. Nickserv has no 'help' functionality, there's no chanserv This may shock and surprise you, but I've been using IRC on servers without NickServ and ChanServ for decades. No services != not IRC. Also, since it appears to be a new & custom irc server, i'd not really be willing to trust corporate communication on a platform known for attracting hackers. Ob…

> Also, since it appears to be a new & custom irc server, i'd not really be willing to trust corporate communication on a platform known for attracting hackers. > Obvious troll.

I wonder why did the popular media portray IRC as a hacker hangout, when yahoo messenger rooms and other group chats are implementation of the same concept.

Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams

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Post by peterwwillis »

jrockway wrote: post #86
peterwwillis wrote: post #68

I know it's brand new and all, but there seems to be a lack of "normal" irc functionality/usability. Nickserv has no 'help' functionality, nicks apparently have to be universally unique across all of Grove (better hope someone doesn't use my name in a different organization?), there's no chanserv. The help page is concise but should probably be printed in MOTD or some other way for non-Web clients (I was confused tha…

there seems to be a lack of "normal" irc functionality/usability. Nickserv has no 'help' functionality, there's no chanserv This may shock and surprise you, but I've been using IRC on servers without NickServ and ChanServ for decades. No services != not IRC. Also, since it appears to be a new & custom irc server, i'd not really be willing to trust corporate communication on a platform known for attracting hackers. Ob…

Granted, services are not required. But if you're going to charge for a hosted IRC server (and you require nickserv to join a channel) you might as well clean them up and make them slightly user-friendly/functional.

Rewriting an irc daemon from scratch is a bad idea. The multitude of existing irc daemons and their hybrids are proof that the technology's complex enough to take years to stabilize, much less secure. If it does actually succeed they'll run into the growing pains of scaling that (assuming they add standard irc cluster topology) will bring on netsplits and other potential issues. If I were a hacker i'd look at a from-scratch not-quite-complete alpha-release IRC daemon as a fun toy to mess with. And if I owned a company I wouldn't want to risk my private communications on such shaky ground.

I'm not saying it isn't a cool idea... it just needs a few years to cook before i'd put my money or business into it (or at least a reputable, secure codebase)

Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams

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Post by jaequery »

razzaj wrote: post #48

But aren't the hassles one of the aspects us "geeks" like about IRC? I think us "geeks" deep inside love the terminal, having to setup an IRC client on a hosted server and tweaking the settings, getting our hands dirty. Us, "geeks", love also the sense of exclusivity that the barrier to entry to IRC provides. Take that, and the hassles, away and it becomes yet another chat network.

think you have a valid point there.

Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams

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Post by mweibel »

tilgovi wrote: post #84
leahculver wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's actually an issue of perception. When I hear Jabber or XMPP, I think of one-to-one chat and when I hear IRC I definitely think of group chat. In general, IRC clients seem more tailored towards groups. That said, there's definitely room for both protocols and I could see supporting XMPP as well at some point.

XMPP MUC is not fun, nor fun to scale. IRC has netsplits, but it does work reliably for tons of people all day every day.

I don't really think that's true. Look at Jabber.org which is probably the biggest jabber network out there and it seems they're scaling pretty well.

Edit: Also XMPP supports UTF-8 for everyhting out of the box and as far as I know it's not really possible with IRC (or did that change over the last years?). E.g. nicks with non-ascii chars are no problem to have..

Why do you think it's not fun?

Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams

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Post by kurige »

napoleoncomplex wrote: post #34
untog wrote: post #16

I'd be interested to know how this stacks up against HipChat. I'm not sure what I'm missing out on, but it would be good to hear if there is something.

One functionality I miss from HipChat that I haven't found here, is the ability to copy files from your disk and paste them to the chat (or drag and drop), where they get automatically uploaded so all the chat members can view or download them. If Grove gets that, I'm sold.

Unless I'm missing some detail of what you're saying, HipChat already does that. I regularly drag screenshots into a conversation. Hipchat uploads them to S3.

There is a size restriction, though, which I've run up against more times than I can count, since I never seem to be able to remember that it's there.

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