Hmm, I just started working on an open source web-based IRC client a couple of weeks ago. This takes a bit of the wind out of my sails.
Something that works with existing irc servers would still be fantastic.
http://usealice.org works really well.
Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
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Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#72I know it's brand new and all, but there seems to be a lack of "normal" irc functionality/usability. Nickserv has no 'help' functionality, nicks apparently have to be universally unique across all of Grove (better hope someone doesn't use my name in a different organization?), there's no chanserv. The help page is concise but should probably be printed in MOTD or some other way for non-Web clients (I was confused tha…
I don't think it is supposed to "be IRC". It's a chatroom backed by IRC, and it seems to work perfectly.
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#73I know it's brand new and all, but there seems to be a lack of "normal" irc functionality/usability. Nickserv has no 'help' functionality, nicks apparently have to be universally unique across all of Grove (better hope someone doesn't use my name in a different organization?), there's no chanserv. The help page is concise but should probably be printed in MOTD or some other way for non-Web clients (I was confused tha…
I don't think it is supposed to "be IRC". It's a chatroom backed by IRC, and it seems to work perfectly.
If it's not supposed to "be IRC" perhaps they shouldn't include the word IRC 12 times in the article, their website shouldn't have an "IRC Help" page and instructions to "set up your IRC client" and your "IRC settings", the front page shouldn't say "Hosted IRC" in huge bold letters and a "Sign up for your IRC server" link at the bottom. Might make people think it was IRC. But that's just my opinion.
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#74I know it's brand new and all, but there seems to be a lack of "normal" irc functionality/usability. Nickserv has no 'help' functionality, nicks apparently have to be universally unique across all of Grove (better hope someone doesn't use my name in a different organization?), there's no chanserv. The help page is concise but should probably be printed in MOTD or some other way for non-Web clients (I was confused tha…
You're correct - it's a totally new and custom IRC server (for good and bad). We built it as a minimum viable product are continually adding features - both standard IRC features and custom features for our customers.
Thanks for reporting these specific issues. We'll work on getting them fixed.
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#75No /me implemented. :(
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#76Nice work, Leah! Love the fact that it's just IRC at heart. Is there any way to integrate a file-uploading facility (drag'n'drop in the web client, ideally, like Campfire) to the IRC concept, or is that an impedance mismatch?
Thanks!! I'd love to add some file uploading and/or hosting capability. I think it would be easy enough on the website side of things but I'm not sure yet what it would mean for existing IRC clients.
Let your services bot announce the user and url, perhaps?
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#77What's the advantage of an IRC-backed chat vs. a Jabber-backed chat? Sure, IRC's protocol is simpler, but it's also not designed to support authentication or security natively, or to be federated in a "cross-network" way like XMPP is. It seems that XMPP is more modern, more flexible, and supports real user authentication natively - a win in every respect. Plus most of the clients people these days use for IRC (Adium,…
It's not? How about: * passwords required to connect to the IRC server, * passwords required to use given nickname (enforced via NickServ), * SSL.
NickServ and "IRC services" in general are shoehorned extensions to IRC. Most clients support them in some automated fashion now, but there's no guarantee, and usage differs depending on "IRC services" package.
At any rate, my original comment came off a bit the wrong way. I'm not trying to say that IRC isn't a workable solution for this kind of group chat system, as it clearly is. I just don't see why using IRC over Jabber (which seems more technically suited to this domain) is a selling point, especially in a marketplace crowded with group chat solutions.
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#78>Geeks love IRC, but it comes with a few hassles, mainly having to host it, that have led teams away from using it in favor of easier IM solutions.
The nature of IRC's channel-level organization¹ obviates the need to set up independent servers for a given team group.
What advantage does something like this offer me over just opening a new channel on freenode?
¹I.e., access lists (ops, voice) and modes like +psk (p[rivate], s[ecret], and k[eyed]).
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not? How about: * passwords required to connect to the IRC server, * passwords required to use given nickname (enforced via NickServ), * SSL.
NickServ and "IRC services" in general are shoehorned extensions to IRC. Most clients support them in some automated fashion now, but there's no guarantee, and usage differs depending on "IRC services" package. At any rate, my original comment came off a bit the wrong way. I'm not trying to say that IRC isn't a workable solution for this kind of group chat system, as it clearly is. I just don't see why using IRC over…
I think it's actually an issue of perception. When I hear Jabber or XMPP, I think of one-to-one chat and when I hear IRC I definitely think of group chat. In general, IRC clients seem more tailored towards groups.
That said, there's definitely room for both protocols and I could see supporting XMPP as well at some point.
Re: Grove.io: Hosted, Searchable IRC Chat For Teams
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
The major advantage I see with this over HipChat is that you can use existing IRC client software to connect. Personally, I'd much prefer Irssi in a terminal to an Adobe AIR product.
I can see the reasons for that, but the HipChat application lets you drag and drop files to share them with everyone in a room, auto-loads images... that alone is worth the client app to me.
You can do that with the IRC client.