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Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by GekkePrutser »

imiric wrote: post #603
GekkePrutser wrote: post #141

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I think crypto in general is disastrous for our environment right now, and has offered none of the self-control finance benefits it promised due to ever more regulation (the EU is soon planning to ban private wallets, you can only legally host money on exchanges then, which basically means we're full circle to the old banking system). All this has been precipitated by the frantic speculators looking for a quick buck.…

> It's the BAT idea in particular that I don't like though. It's just a new, more indirect, payment scheme for advertisers. The advertising monetization model can't be stopped dead in its tracks. The fact is that it's the simplest way for content providers to generate revenue, and that won't change overnight. What BAT is attempting to do is establish a market between content consumers and providers. The BAT wallet is…

> The advertising monetization model can't be stopped dead in its tracks.

I agree, but it's not like I can't wish for it :)

> Note that I don't use Brave, nor particularly care about the company, but BAT is the best idea that works in practice to overcome the ad business model. It should be celebrated for that, and we need more such projects.

I don't like being told how I should feel about something :) I don't celebrate them and I won't. For me the solution is ever more and ever more efficient adblockers, as well as bans on tracking like the EU is doing. This is something that does really work. Many sites are really seeing a drop in income from ads and are looking for alternatives now. Hurting someone in their wallet really works.

I think BAT is a dead-end, they don't have the market power to bring about this change, and the ideal outcome is only one of the possible ones around. Seeing as how you really do celebrate their solution but still don't use it illustrates the issue I see with it.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by GekkePrutser »

gnlrtntv wrote: post #310
fuckcensorship wrote: post #128

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Out of curiosity, do you have an issue with crypto as a whole or is there something about Brave’s BAT in particular that you dislike?

Aside from some of the common critiques of purpose-oriented blockchain tech, I think there's a question with BAT of if creating a token-based ecosystem with this thing actually creates economic incentives that align with the overall improvement of our society, or if it merely contributes to the existing problems that have enabled intrusive ad tech in the first place. On a small scale, paying to be able to take away a…

But we have all this today. Just install an adblocker. Ads are hardly pervasive at all for me, I really rarely see them unless I go out on the street. On the internet adblocking is almost 100% effective and I don't watch live TV.

In fact I see people who are more wealthy not using adblockers and paywall bypassers because they feel like they should support the sites somehow. It's a similar thing with downloading video content, many of my better-off friends are not downloading because they are worried about content disappearing. They actually care about the overall economic model working. My friends from worse circumstances (I know many people in lesser-off countries) don't give a shit about that and download all they can get. And I agree with them.

I myself don't have this worry. Content will never disappear one way or another. We had content on the internet before ads were really a thing and it was better than it is now in many ways. And I like cutting into the big megacorps' profits.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by scifibestfi »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #649
lordnacho wrote: post #95

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TST is literally the killer feature for FF. It's actually the only reason I went to FF, it was getting out of hand to have all my tabs across the top, and it makes little sense with modern screens being so wide that giving up a little horizontal space to get legible titles is absolutely worth it. Someone in Chrome/Edge/Safari must be thinking about doing this, I don't know why it hasn't been cloned. Can't be too hard…

> Someone in Chrome/Edge/Safari must be thinking about doing this, I don't know why it hasn't been cloned. Easy, most people never use more than five or six tabs because it’s annoying to have more. TST is a solution to a marginal use case so no one invests the time into developing it.

Wow, and here I have a hard time using less than 30 tabs.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by anotheryou »

Moru wrote: post #659
anotheryou wrote: post #645

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you select (how this works depends on your settings, I do shift or ctrl + click), right click, group. but most useful is the auto-grouping of child tabs anyways

Yes, making groups was easy but moving tabs to groups only works every other time I do it. Very strange.

indentation matters (left and right) if that's a problem

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by ivanjermakov »

I wish to love Firefox, but some things are dragging it down

1. Noticabely slower and less snappy than Chromium in both page load and interaction.

2. HTML5 rendering is horrendously slow.

3. Shortcuts mapped by chars, not keycodes; e.g. pressing ctrl+t on Cyrillic layout will do nothing instead of opening a new tab.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by Tsiklon »

sathyabhat wrote: post #343
Tsiklon wrote: post #97

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Edge has vertical tabs but no grouping by parent tab.

Edge does have grouping (might be behind edge://flags)

Ohh cool! I have to look into that. My workstation is quite locked down at work so edge is the only alternative to chrome available.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by altano »

solarkraft wrote: post #279
timerol wrote: post #76

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When I saw the title of this article, I assumed it had to be about Tree Style Tags. No other browser feature has so immediately become a feature I must have so quickly. Privacy and ad-blocking are great, but I could see myself being lazy and switching to a browser with a better UX, if one existed. But you'll have to take Tree Style Tabs from my cold, dead hands

It's pretty much the only reason I'm staying with Firefox. Mozilla has pissed me off often enough for me to attempt to jump ship, but there's just nowhere to go. (I'm aware of Orion, but when I last used it I found it to still have performance and polish issues)

Sadly the 1Password extension doesn't really work on Orion (no inline autofill and very long UI delays)

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by altano »

anotheryou wrote: post #117
dmytrish wrote: post #46

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Tree Style Tabs solved the tab grouping problem for me. I like to put it on the right and I'm looking for a way to have the tab bar hidden. Tab search exists: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/search-open-tabs-firefo... , also you type % into the address bar to start searching over tabs. Not sure if this covers your needs, though.

also check out "sidebery" as a modern alternative that does a bit more

I've tried to switch from TST to Sidebery twice and both times hit small but bad bugs (restore not working on browser restart) and went back to TST. It's simultaneously slicker but buggier. It looks like Sidebery is still under development though: https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery/issues

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by skoskie »

tppiotrowski wrote: post #368
Jenk wrote: post #287

I used Firefox in the early-mid 00s, switched to Chrome not long after launch, after my colleagues showed me how much slicker is was than a now fairly heavy Firefox (at the time.) Then evil Google emerges, Chrome got fat, FF trimmed up and went privacy-as-a-default, and I'm back on FF again for the better part of the last decade. Opera had a look-in around 2008 but it didn't last long, although some of the features w…

The right click mouse gestures of Opera were great for quickly navigating back/forward and creating new tabs.

Vivaldi offers that feature.

Re: I've started using Firefox and can never go back to Chrome

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Post by altano »

appletrotter wrote: post #259
dmytrish wrote: post #46

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Tree Style Tabs solved the tab grouping problem for me. I like to put it on the right and I'm looking for a way to have the tab bar hidden. Tab search exists: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/search-open-tabs-firefo... , also you type % into the address bar to start searching over tabs. Not sure if this covers your needs, though.

Is there a way to make TST look nicer? I’m sure a lot of people appreciate its UI, but it really stands out to me in a negative way.

If you like my garish and ugly theme, it is TST friendly (it will theme the TST tabs as long as you pick the "Photon" TST theme in the TST settings): https://alan.norbauer.com/projects/alanglow
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