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Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by incrudible »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #218
incrudible wrote: post #216

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> It seems so many commenters here miss that sentence, and live in a mental world where viruses are mostly benign but healthcare is mostly deadly. Viruses are indeed mostly benign. Medical malpractice is a leading cause of death. In any case, it is not an either or. This vaccine does not prevent infection, the risk reduction for an otherwise healthy person, especially with the new variants and boosters, has never bee…

Yes the science absolutely does say so - perhaps try to follow it before spreading mis-information.

Show me the clinical trial that shows a benefit for administration of a Booster, or even just two doses, providing a net benefit for a healthy young person, after accounting for hazards like Myocarditis, with an Omikron infection.

It doesn't exist, nor does anyone "in charge" want it to exist, or so it appears. The FDA waved through a trial for children with a sample size of about 1000, almost guaranteeing that a rare side effect like Myocarditis would not show up. That's a clear signal of regulatory capture, if you ask me.

The data that does show a benefit generally does not stratify across factors like age and risk factors, or if it does, extremely coarsely. That's, of course, misleading - perhaps intentionally so. In general, the paucity of meaningful data is just staggering.

Re: Trends in menstrual bleeding changes after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination

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Post by incrudible »

peter422 wrote: post #110
manwe150 wrote: post #91

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How bad is it for health? This paper also notes that the virus itself is of great concern foremost, so any conclusion must be in comparison to the alternative (aka the control group): “Studies and anecdotal reports are already demonstrating that menstrual function may be disrupted long term [by the virus], particularly in those with long COVID (32–35)” It seems so many commenters here miss that sentence, and live in…

“Placebo Effect Accounts for More Than Two-Thirds of COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Events, Researchers Find” https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2022/01/placebo-effec... It seems very unintuitive but when you have these studies without a control they are shockingly biased… not due to anybody’s fault, just human nature.

Nice. Now do "Long COVID".

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #132
klipt wrote: post #112

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Is it that hard to just collect data on economic status instead?

In any biostatistics project, we have to segment patient population into groups based on an amazingly large set of variables. race, sex, approximate age, approximate location, distance from doctor, economic status are just the first few. All of these can have an impact on outcomes that has to be managed. Yes, a persons race does have an impact on outcomes regardless of economic factors. Recently, a few conferences ta…

Well the weird part here is it's separated to white and everyone else

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Post by bananabiscuit »

DrAwdeOccarim wrote: post #155
macinjosh wrote: post #115

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> the FDA has had an excellent track record with vaccine safety over the last ~70 years Yeah, and they did this by going through a lot of detailed processes, study, and trial. Not by doing what was done in this case.

Again, not to further inflame, but no corners were cut for the trials. The only thing that happened was the Federal government covered the costs to do all parts in parallel (for Moderna, kinda also for Pfizer with the APA, but more complex). Typically longer is between the safety trial and the efficacy trial, but almost all side effects ever observed for previous vaccine trials show up within 6 months of the phase 1…

Corners were indeed cut.

Reproductive toxicity was not studied. At vaccine rollouts, reproductive toxicity was only studied on rats, then about a year later there was finally a single very narrow study of a few dozen women, after billions of doses were administered.

More generally, the control group was lost during the trials (they vaccinated the control group).

I don’t have time at the moment to dig up my sources again (I posted all the relevant studies in my previous comments over the past year), but I assume you won’t mind too much since you also didn’t provide evidence for your claim that corners weren’t cut.

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Post by landemva »

StillBored wrote: post #122
PKop wrote: post #97

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People that think the spread of this coronavirus could ever have been stopped, let alone without destroying social fabric, mental health and causing an economic depression/hyperinflation are insane.

The 95% thing was a hypothetical. But lets rephrase it a bit. Lets say another virus is discovered tomorrow, how high would the mortality have to be before you were to accept all those effects you list? And lastly, how high would it have to be before you would accept actually shooting people who violated quarantine procedures? With the understanding that a statement like never, could mean the extinction of humanity (…

> shooting people who violated quarantine procedures?

In the actual circumstance in the real world, animals would need to be culled because it passes between deer and cats and humans. Maybe we start shooting cats and deer now? No more pet cats.

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Post by ccn0p »

mcronce wrote: post #187
ccn0p wrote: post #64

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Yes and this insanity is literally keeping large numbers of people from engaging in parts of society. Some conferences, meetups, and events still require attendees to be fully vaccinated with no testing option. I was unable to attend an event just last week for this reason. It's stunning.

You weren't unable to attend anything. You had an option to attend the event - get vaccinated. You chose to not attend the event. The only thing "keeping you" from it is you.

That's a great point. Next up, we'll make sure Muslims can't go to the same conference because they chose not to go.

Maybe your next thought is the vaccine makes the conference safer. Let's play Choose your own Adventure. You have to sit next to someone on a crowded airplane in economy class for 3 hours and this person loves to talk. You get to choose that this person is either a) vaccinated, or b) tested negative for covid every day for the past 3 days. Which do you choose?

It's fascinating and scary that fear has led our society to let segregation creep in under the guise of public health.

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Post by mlyle »

busymom0 wrote: post #196
mlyle wrote: post #172

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You missed the radio button on page 3 which lets you see the test positivity rates based on vax status too. There too, the vaxxed and boosted score worst: https://i.imgur.com/m7qihub.png Please explain why does your data seem to be an entire outlier from Ontario, Alberta, Scotland, UK and Denmark data? You also haven't explained how that Lancet study for UK has been disputed. Nor have you explained how a highly vaxxe…

> You missed the radio button on page 3 which lets you see the test positivity rates based on vax status too. There too, the vaxxed and boosted score worst:

Again, --- any high school statistics students should know why that rate can be, and is completely decoupled from the actual case rate (non-uniform selection bias-- which is obviously present because the size of the strata doesn't equal their base rates in the population).

We have looked at the actual entire United States data. You are cherry-picking and Gish-galloping. You completely ignore the mountain of evidence that contradicts your view, but endlessly want to talk about specific datapoints which do (most of which you don't even provide). You bury the other side in citations but refuse to look at theirs.

This is not a means to actually reach consensus or have an honest discussion.

> You also haven't explained how that Lancet study for UK has been disputed.

My earlier citation, BEFORE YOU POSTED IT, showed that while viral fragments in plasma is equivalent, the actual transmissibility from shed droplets appears to me lower. Your study's primary argument is the opposite. Further, it discussions transmission dynamics in a household, as if this somehow has import on national case rates which is the assertion you made and keep galloping away from.

It's so thoroughly bogus that it's difficult for me to even engage with. In response to April 2022 data indicating that it is likely that transmission is reduced despite earlier data that viral copy fragments are high... you sent me the earlier data that viral copy fragments are high... and then repeatedly demanded to hear why I thought that the conclusions of that earlier study were disputed. Hello? Hello?

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Post by mint2 »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #43
in_cahoots wrote: post #9

As someone who was trying to conceive while the vaccine rolled out, this isn’t surprising. People were regularly reporting basal temperature spikes, delayed ovulation, and delayed periods. This is a community that is extremely data-oriented, since with the right measurements you’re able to predict your fertile (or non-fertile) window. I was disappointed to see how little research there was into menstruation at the ti…

Many people had concerns about the vaccine rollout. Not because we were worried about some 5G nanoparticle Bill Gates conspiracy nonsense but because of the potential unknown side effects. Doing a trial on a few hundred thousand and then rolling out to billions is like testing your changes locally and then pushing them straight to production. "But human bodies are not anything like software dev" I hear you say. You'r…

The vaccines were heavily politicized and the politicizing of them was not coming from a place of legitimate concerns, clearly shown by the same groups embracing snake oil cures with the only info backing them making the vaccine studies look like the most thorough studies ever done in the history of humanity. There were No worries about side effects for the sketchy snake oil.

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Post by mint2 »

inquirerGeneral wrote: post #169
nerdponx wrote: post #85

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Mishandle? They got the vaccine rolled out by August and September to start production. One of the few things Trump did correctly was the early pandemic handling while the cries of "stop travel from China" was called racist and unnecessary. There was nothing else that could have been done except fire the head of the CDC after their flip flop politics instead of science.

> One of the few things Trump did correctly was the early pandemic handling while the cries of "stop travel from China" was called racist and unnecessary.

Except it was because by that time the horse was long out of the barn and the China ban failed spectacularly. cases were already here and also coming in from Europe. If it didn’t fail why did we get a Covid pandemic?

At that point what was needed was massive testing rather than the denialism the trump admin presented. And they failed massively at testing and public education.

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