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In response to the question in the headline: the Netherlands, pretty much everywhere. Over 5x as many as people [1], even after substantial decline last year. Their droppings are causing us environmental problems, which is currently a hot(-button) topic. [1] https://longreads.cbs.nl/nederland-in-cijfers-2021/hoeveel-l...
Alternatively it’s a manufactured problem, designed to require the goal of halving the livestock.
I grew up in a small town and spent a lot of time driving through cows > people counties through college and young adulthood - every visit back to my parents meant seeing lots of cattle on the way. At grocery stores I would see packaging for “grass-fed beef” or “free-range” and honestly I thought it was like a joke that farmers were pulling on city people, like “gormet hand-picked potatoes” or “premium plastic” or so…
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I had a similar experience on that drive from SF to LA. I remember a UPS truck driving by me and the man inside wearing a face mask (this was pre COVID). I thought it was the weirdest thing. A few miles later though and you hit stench. It's hard to do it justice in a comment. Saying it's the foulest thing I've ever smelled really fails to capture it.
Good ole Coalinga... That towns major exports include factory farming and prison... basically hell lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalinga,_California
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It’s too hot for them in most of the agricultural centers in the USA. Plenty of goats though.
Goat milk is relatively common, but I've not seen goat meat for quite awhile. Lamb is available most places, but usually more expensive. Walmart carries it!
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Have no idea why you get downvoted, but I did notice few times now how HN crowd doesn’t know much about veganism or appreciates people who think animal agriculture is cruel. Ah yeah, and also terribly destructive: https://youtu.be/LaPge01NQTQ
> Have no idea why you get downvoted The comment contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation. No definition, no solution, no relevance. If livestock is less than people is it ok then? These graphs are just hotspots it's impossible to use them quantifiably at USA levels. They only show there are a lot of "cows" "there" You are just roping your common repetitive viewpoints into the story. Why don't you care abou…
It's thinking with the end in mind. Once you axiomatize the ends, you can then figure out the means to get there.
Denmark 5.8 million people, 13.5 million pigs
3 million people, 9-10 million sheep
I grew up in a small town and spent a lot of time driving through cows > people counties through college and young adulthood - every visit back to my parents meant seeing lots of cattle on the way. At grocery stores I would see packaging for “grass-fed beef” or “free-range” and honestly I thought it was like a joke that farmers were pulling on city people, like “gormet hand-picked potatoes” or “premium plastic” or so…
The Starbucks literally has an airlock and a biosafety tier positive pressure HVAC system to keep the reek out. It’s insane.
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Even in pastureland country, cattle typically spend winters packed together in feedlots and are fattened in feedlots on a largely corn-based diet before slaughter. Depending on who is doing the labelling, cattle which were pastured before this fattening process may still be sold as "grass-fed".
Sometimes the packed wintercows are fed grass (those big bales rolled up are quite heavy - and expensive).
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Maybe because it's a biased POV, that doesn't take into account that the isssue is simply being human, nobody can call themselves out or blame some activity more than others. For example many vegans and animalists own pets to "save them from cruelty" But Loss and others of the Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service found that free-ranging domestic cats (mostly unowned) are t…
Nothing about what you said is antithetical to veganism, so I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.