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Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by nathanaldensr »

jameshart wrote: post #285
mherdeg wrote: post #137

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Yeah that tracks -- a local news station read through a database (I'm assuming this is VAERS) and found 5 reports of excessive yawning from Moderna recipients as of Apr 2021: https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/staring-yawning-falling-off... Sorry to hear about the experience :( If you have reason to believe your body can't tolerate the mRNA vaccines, some alternatives to discuss with a GP might include * Evushield -- p…

Wow. Five cases of excessive yawning correlated with vaccine administration. Out of millions of doses administered. We should totally pause on the rollout of the vaccine, while we do a proper risk assessment on that. Because on the one hand, we have the risk that unchecked spread of the disease will lead to more dangerous mutations and we could be faced with a complete collapse of healthcare capacity as it is overwhe…

Unchecked spread of viruses leads to less dangerous mutations because the more dangerous ones burn through victims too quickly for it to spread very far.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by nathanaldensr »

puffoflogic wrote: post #303
internet_user wrote: post #207

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Why did UK’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) refuse to recommend universal vaccination to 12-15s on risk benefit basis? How did these internationally renowned vaccinologists and immunologists suddenly become antivaxxers overnight? Professor Andrew Pollard, Chair (University of Oxford) Professor Lim Wei Shen, Chair COVID-19 immunisation (Nottingham University Hospitals) Professor Anthony Harnden…

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Come and get them, keyboard warrior. :)

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Post by lamontcg »

soramimo wrote: post #294
lamontcg wrote: post #166

We can't vaccinate our way out of this virus. Even without the issues of compliance, eradication is likely impossible with a respiratory virus like this. Even if you have a pan coronavirus nasal vaccine the NAbs will wane and people will get infected again. It doesn't matter if we use more mRNAs than just spike for more targets or anything else. It'll mutate, NAbs will wane, people won't get vaccinated and the virus…

> Once everyone has been exposed to the antigen a half dozen times and the virus is forced to mutate off of its naive optimum then the disease burden will drop even further. Then we just have another human common cold coronavirus. This is presented as a fact/certainty, however, I'd like to caution that it is still unclear whether multiple reinfections will add up to lasting damage (unlike the common cold), see e.g. […

That study has all kinds of confounding variables.

We don't see other respiratory viruses behaving that way, and its more likely that this one won't either.

Topol isn't a very good source either, he's speaking outside of his area of expertise (he's a cardiologist, not an immunologist/virologist/epidemiologist)

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by jameshart »

apostacy wrote: post #306
jameshart wrote: post #274

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Specifically, what ‘shattered’ that trust? What did you need to see from those in power that would have maintained or built that trust?

> Specifically, what ‘shattered’ that trust? Doubling down on failed lockdown policy long after it was known to be ineffective and hurt more people than it helped. Profiteering off of the pandemic crisis. Rampant censorship of people who turned out be correct and were trying to warn us. If they knew that there was something wrong with the vaccine, I expect them to lie about it, and censor and coerce whistle blowers i…

If you’re in the US, you never experienced a ‘lockdown’ policy.

And nobody has been harmed on the order of the victims of toxic waste dumping.

You seem to be assuming that the vaccination programs that have been given to millions of people globally have had some kind of devastating consequences: mass disabilities, cancers and reproductive harms…

But, they haven’t, have they?

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Post by jameshart »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #311
jameshart wrote: post #285

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Wow. Five cases of excessive yawning correlated with vaccine administration. Out of millions of doses administered. We should totally pause on the rollout of the vaccine, while we do a proper risk assessment on that. Because on the one hand, we have the risk that unchecked spread of the disease will lead to more dangerous mutations and we could be faced with a complete collapse of healthcare capacity as it is overwhe…

Unchecked spread of viruses leads to less dangerous mutations because the more dangerous ones burn through victims too quickly for it to spread very far.

That’s not a great strategy from the perspective of the victims that get burned through.

Re: We could have universal Covid vaccines soon

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Post by jameshart »

peteradio wrote: post #286
jameshart wrote: post #284

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Is there some covid treatment regime I am unaware of that requires us to sacrifice the lives of children to save the elderly? I’m pretty sure we’re talking about public health measures that - if successful- will reduce covid risks for everyone . And if we have to save the lives of a bunch of 90 year olds in order to also save the lives of some kids, we’ll that is a risk I am willing to take.

Pray tell what evidence we have that this is a live saving pharmaceutical when applied to young healthy children.

A vaccine is a public health measure aimed at reducing disease spread through the population.

If you want kids to go to preschools, and not be little disease vectors transmitting infection between households, you should be looking for ways to avoid them acquiring the infection even if the disease has no ill effects on them personally.

Having their parents or grandparents hospitalized are also negative outcomes for a child.

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Post by wizofaus »

rayiner wrote: post #308
wizofaus wrote: post #301

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Racism (or at least a strong sense of cultural superiority) is almost certainly a key component behind Japanese immigration policies. My Japanese partner would be one of the first to agree. And no, there's no "obligation" to welcome increased immigration - plenty of environmentally focused political groups demand lower immigration too. Indeed I have some serious concerns over the effect it has on poorer countries whe…

> Racism (or at least a strong sense of cultural superiority) is almost certainly a key component behind Japanese immigration policies. That proves my point--you're conflating "racism" with cultural conflict. "Race" is a construct in post-slavery societies, where animosity exists between people who otherwise share history and culture . White southerners and Black southerners are culturally very similar to each other.…

Yes, I'm conflating them because they're the same basic concept - you think the group of people you consider yourself part of (your race, your nationality etc.) to be "better" than others, and anyone who belongs to a different one is assumed to be inferior in some way.

The Blacks and Hispanics that agree with Trump are just as racist as he is, so what?

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Post by phkahler »

yesenadam wrote: post #121
joeman1000 wrote: post #73

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We are forced to in Australia. I was barred from taking exams this semester since I didn’t have the vaccine. Others lose their jobs. There is no freedom of choice there. It’s a gun wrapped in a blanket.

Sounds like you made a choice, a poor one. We are also "forced" to wear seatbelts in cars and not drink-drive. For some reason I don't hear those things described as "no freedom of choice" or the ludicrous "gun wrapped in a blanket". Drink-driving is the closer analogy of the two, as the harm extends to other people, as in vaccine refusal. Can you imagine hearing the drink-driving laws described as "a gun wrapped in…

Its absurd to require vaccination but not accept actual infection as such. Surviving an actual infection offers better immunity than the vaccine. The failure to ack this is evidence IMHO of an agenda.

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Post by [deleted] »

bawolff wrote: post #24
phkahler wrote: post #15

We could just approve Corbevax in the US. It's a more traditional vaccine and includes more of the virus than spike proteins. It's also unpatented and cheap. The cynic in me says there is huge interest in having an annual Covid vaccine like the flu one. They'll just change spike proteins every year in a never ending game of cat and mouse. With mRNA that game is easy and profitable.

> It's also unpatented and cheap All of these vaccines are cheap.

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Post by ekianjo »

metadat wrote: post #98
ekianjo wrote: post #59

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> FWIW I got the third booster, because I didn't want to risk unnecessarily transmitting a disease to my family last Thanksgiving. The booster does not prevent transmissions. You have been lied to.

It reduced the odds, which was good enough.

> It reduced the odds, which was good enough.

That's not doing that either

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