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George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Does anyone know why Hitler hated Stalin and communism so much? The article alludes to how Russia was always the main target, and he was friends with industrialists, but I've never seen a good reason why.

From Hitler's writing, it is clear that he despised socialism/communism because socialist ideologues promoted class antagonism and internationalism, both of which undermined the unity of the German people.

Of course, at a practical political level, leftists were also his rivals for the votes of the dissatisfied in inter-war Germany.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind explaining more what you mean? I’m half Jewish, so I feel confused because I didn’t get any antisemitic vibes from it at all. But I wasn’t raised in Jewish culture so I am still trying to learn about these aspects. It sounded like maybe you’re saying that since hitler’s focus was to eradicate my ancestors, Orwell should have at least mentioned that. But I don’t understand why it’s related to Orwell’s p…

Not antisemitic, just that it ignores Jews, who were Hitler's bête noire. There is a tendency to ignore the fact that Jews were a special target and say "Hitler did bad things to people." (The USSR was especially bad in this.) Kind of like "All Lives Matter" -- a fine slogan, but sometimes (not always) it holds a willful ignorance of specific suffering.

The world is completely unaware of concentration camps at this point in the war. It literally just started 6 months before his review.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> [...] because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’tonly want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flags and loyalty-parades.

One wonders whether this desire for struggle, self-sacrifice, drums, flags and loyalty-parades is not a right/left thing, and whether the consequences of indulging it are independent of the stories we tell about it.

There's a deeper cause for it though I think. The civilization from which I write this comment offers comfort, safety, and hygiene and really everything you could possibly imagine, so long as you don't challenge its weaknesses and falsehoods. There is a (very partisan) quote from UK physician and author Theodore Dalrymple that captures it well, "When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control..”

The urge for those drums, flags and parades is a desire for the dignity that the comforts don't provide, and in the fascist case, it was also an opposite reaction against the indignity of precieved comfort and lies. My pet theory about the nazis was what made them so explicitly and sickeningly cruel was they were compensating for the psychosexual shame and humiliation, not only from war reparations, but from a generation of mostly fatherless boys (post-WW1) raised in the culture of the Wiemar Republic. They envied the masculine eros of Mussolini's fascism and directly adopted its aestheics combined with a new occult mythology to compensate for the defeat of the Austro-Hungarian empire, and with the promise of largely ethno-socialist policies. Jews in Germany were not total outsiders at the time (though there is no denying anti-semitism before NSDAP, Europe's historic anti-semitism practically defines it), many Jews having fought for the country and Kaiser, but nazi propaganda against them was all about scapegoating them for the liberalism (so-called "degeneracy") of Wiemar, and crucially, for the psychosexual shame of a generation of German boys who would eventually join the nazi party. Add freely available meth (pervitin) to the mix, and the dictator had everything he needed.

This doesn't excuse or explain at all, but rather, asks whether these factors have any predictive power, where if you add these ingredients together again, do we get a similar result, and how do we know the reaction is occurring as predicted without it becoming a chain reaction throughout the whole system? It seems like an urgent contemporary question to me.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> But Hitler could not have succeeded against his many rivals if it had not been for the attraction of his own personality, which one can feel even in the clumsy writing of Mein Kampf, and which is no doubt overwhelming when one hears his speeches … The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. A commenter here (and one on the original article) has noted that the part being elided appears to be the…

>The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. I think the magic ingredient is utter, palpable self conviction. Complete unwavering dedication to your own rightness, regardless of any counter argument, any prevarication, even evidence to the contrary, is intoxicating. You don't need to argue, you don't need to convince, you don't need reasons, you're just right by definition. The simplicity and lack…

On a smaller scale, this is how people are able to build fiefdoms inside of companies, become successful local religious leaders, start cults, and maintain abusive domestic relationships.

Strong conviction is like a magical spell because it literally changes reality. Most people, myself included, are not really wired to be able to resist a constant force which is informing them of what “reality” is (not of its actual constituent components, but the framework of meaning and importance). This is normally a natural part of being human and living in society. We speak the language of the people around us, make the same foods, use the same body language. We think of society as the totality of what there is, but in reality it is providing us only a finite number of infinite options.

But every once in a while someone comes along who sense of reality is so self possessed that they create a force field around them. They change the set of available options for assigning meaning . Anything that falls into their event horizon is twisted and mangled by their totally consistent and unchangeable worldview, and it is contagious. If that person also happens to be charming, it’s all over.

The only way that I know not to fall into these kinds of traps is to regularly practice intentionally subverting or rejecting the norms around me. Not all of them, just the ones that don’t serve me. If I’m used to evaluating and potentially rejecting common practices in my culture (both societal and interpersonal), Then I know that if someone in my life is living in such a warp field that I will notice it since I am practiced in resisting its pull.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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I think he highlights some fundamentally toxic aspects of human nature with this bit: “The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do.” The engineer in me wishes we could substitute the soldiers with construction workers or something, but I can’t deny enjoying war games growing up. These da…

Is war play “toxic” or “essential to the survival of human communities?”

It’s interesting to me how “humanism” veers into “human denialism” (denying the nature of the human condition) or active “trans-humanism” (seeking to transcend the human condition).

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

Yes, I absolutely agree. For much of our evolutionary history, young men were optimized to fuck and to fight. I’m not sure how we square this with the needs of modern civil society.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

A real explorable, pioneerable frontier would serve this need for adventure. A new continent. Or space.

The present popularity of gender-flux might be an expression of that. Gender as a wild frontier to conquer?... Ok maybe that's a stretch.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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post #63

> But Hitler could not have succeeded against his many rivals if it had not been for the attraction of his own personality, which one can feel even in the clumsy writing of Mein Kampf, and which is no doubt overwhelming when one hears his speeches … The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. A commenter here (and one on the original article) has noted that the part being elided appears to be the…

I can't help but think one of the most appealing aspects of Hitler would've been his ability to deliver passionate speeches. For example, I have no idea what he's saying in this speech [1], but the tone at which he delivers it is undeniably quite mesmerising, especially when compared to the tone of, say, Joe Biden [2]. In a time where radio ruled, it's hard not to think he wouldn't stand out, irregardless of the cont…

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Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

“There should be a science of discontent” Many modern political problems stem from people needing something to struggle for and other people fighting against it. There’s also a lot of shaping going on where if people weren’t so upset about X they’d realize Y was a huge problem so let’s distract them permanently with X.

Full quote (Frank Herbert):

> "There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. (Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan)"

There are certainly many ways to fulfill this apparent necessity without resorting to war and other forms of tribal conflict. Exploration of wilderness, sporting competitions, running marathons, etc. They all have a kind of 'passing through the ordeal' similarity.

(Incidentally this is a central reason why preservation of large expanses of wilderness areas is very important)

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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I think he highlights some fundamentally toxic aspects of human nature with this bit: “The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do.” The engineer in me wishes we could substitute the soldiers with construction workers or something, but I can’t deny enjoying war games growing up. These da…

Post-ww1 pacifism didn't do much good to France.
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