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George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Post by fumblebee »

Barrera wrote: post #63

> But Hitler could not have succeeded against his many rivals if it had not been for the attraction of his own personality, which one can feel even in the clumsy writing of Mein Kampf, and which is no doubt overwhelming when one hears his speeches … The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. A commenter here (and one on the original article) has noted that the part being elided appears to be the…

I can't help but think one of the most appealing aspects of Hitler would've been his ability to deliver passionate speeches.

For example, I have no idea what he's saying in this speech [1], but the tone at which he delivers it is undeniably quite mesmerising, especially when compared to the tone of, say, Joe Biden [2].

In a time where radio ruled, it's hard not to think he wouldn't stand out, irregardless of the content contained in his speeches.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3N_2r6R-o

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c6R6nllpsc

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Post by InTheArena »

thrown_22 wrote: post #53
zozbot234 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because patriarchy. To females, being a "loser" was simply the status quo; there were no "winners" to aspire towards.

Imagine erasing such murderous despots as Kathrine the Great and Elizabeth Tudor because of their genitalia.

Neither of whom were outside of a single standard deviation from the norm in Europe at this time.

I find the GP argument less the convincing, but I believe that women haven’t been the face of genocide and war because of lack of opportunity - But all such are historical outliers - regardless of sex.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Post by smcl »

emacsen wrote: post #19

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If you're going to make a sweeping generalisation about a religion or ethnicity that "Brits" (whatever that means) have a weird negative fixation on, it would be Muslims not Jews. There's an ongoing moral panic kicked off by September 11 (and inflamed further by the Tube bombings) that gets eyeballs on news stories and ballots in boxes. It's stupid, it's hateful and I've never been into it but it's something that's in the public conscience and (through "Prevent") in law too.

Probably the worst thing you could say about the overwhelming majority of the population's views on Judaism or Jews is that they're ignorant of it. I was completely unaware of the negative stereotypes some people have of Jewish people (or even things like - which names were more Jewish than others) until I was on the internet and came into regular contact with Americans who were aware of it. My views until then were roughly "Judaism is sorta like Christianity but older, and Hannukah occurs around christmas time and involves candles". After that I thought the same, but also "and Americans don't really like Jews". Obviously that's not correct, but I wanted to share the experience of one of the "Brits" you're casually dismissing as anti-semitic.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Post by hef19898 »

greatpostman wrote: post #6
swayvil wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Quotes from Churchill and general patton paint a very different picture than we are told

Wasn't Patton a PTSD denying, proto wheraboo who thought he fought the wrong enemy? One that was removed from Getmany due his treatment and view of displaced jews?

As with all WW2 generals, I would take his quotes, and memoires, with a ton of salt.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Post by tehjoker »

superb-owl wrote: post #9

> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

star trek, which depicts a moneyless quasi-communist society but with the fleet organized along traditional navy lines is an interesting concept

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Post by smcl »

ixtli wrote: post #55
davedx wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoah way to paint us all with a broad brush. Think the downfall of Labour’s last leader shows how patently untrue this thinking is.

Oh come on. You know well that the interparty collaboration to take down Corbyn was far from due to earnest concern about Jews safety. On the contrary, they are once again using us as a rhetorical cudgel to achieve their ends.

I'm still shocked that nothing really came of the report that the anti-Corbyn activities within the Labour party. It should've rocked the party to the core and caused heads to roll.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Post by benreesman »

simonh wrote: post #76
Barrera wrote: post #63

> But Hitler could not have succeeded against his many rivals if it had not been for the attraction of his own personality, which one can feel even in the clumsy writing of Mein Kampf, and which is no doubt overwhelming when one hears his speeches … The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. A commenter here (and one on the original article) has noted that the part being elided appears to be the…

>The fact is that there is something deeply appealing about him. I think the magic ingredient is utter, palpable self conviction. Complete unwavering dedication to your own rightness, regardless of any counter argument, any prevarication, even evidence to the contrary, is intoxicating. You don't need to argue, you don't need to convince, you don't need reasons, you're just right by definition. The simplicity and lack…

I think the grievance husbandry is part of the cocktail too.

Obviously if your message is too complicated you’re going to lose people, but if you’re operating at an effective complexity level, you still need a story to tell.

“You’ve been very badly treated by not rich people, rather someone else” sells in job lots even today.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Post by pydry »

tacitusarc wrote: post #40
pydry wrote: post #12

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I think the driving desire for purpose is not exclusive to delivery drivers without girlfriends. Fascism is compelling because it seems to fill that void. The power element is simply a byproduct. This is also why all ideologies which purport to offer meaning struggle to coexist with other ideologies with the same goal.

Purpose is only a component of what fascism is about.

Wielding power - owed power - is certainly not a byproduct of fascism. Its the core promise of the ideology to its "chosen" people.

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