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Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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post #29

Take Jobs, Wozniak or Markula out of the picture and Apple fails. You needed a hustler/product guy, a brilliant engineer and a great business mind for success. Jobs legend was created because he built upon his skills. He enhanced his ability to spot and aquire great talent and learned (the hard way) how to become a great businessman.

True, but the least important in the mix was Jobs.

Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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It really all depends on what your trying to do yourself. Im not naive enough to think Apple would have worked without BOTH Woz and Jobs. Every company needs an innovator/inventor, but then what good are they if they have no clout with regards to how to get the product to market, or what exact product the consumers would want? Thus the title is completely incorrect.

The company would not be what it is today if either of them had went solo, FACT.

These constant articles/opinions etc regarding Jobs are now getting pretty tiresome. Love him or hate him, he was amazing at what HE done.

Whatever happened to letting someone Rest In Peace

Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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I cannot understand how you could read this biography and arrive at the conclusion that any one person should be "emulated". What I took away was that all components of Apple's success were mutually inclusive. It's unlikely that it could have happened any other way. You can pick a thousand points along the line wherein the events might have not come together as they did, and you do not end up with the Apple that exis…

Article is just trying to expel the misconceptions around Jobs and say that brilliant engineering is more important than design & reality distortion field in a startup.

Woz was the engineering genius. Jobs was the visionary entrepreneur. They both needed each other.

Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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post #6

According to Steve, you shouldn't be emulating anyone - be yourself. You'll never be a better Steve Jobs than Steve was - or a better Woz than Woz was. The key thing I got out of the article is how important your co-founder is - one thing Steve seems to have is that he recognized talent very quickly (Woz, Ive at the age of 29) and developed them.

Come again? Steve developed Woz?

Come to think of it, I think there was something in their relationship that we might now call "development." There is the anecdote about how Steve "tricked" Woz into cutting down the number of chips to win a prize at Atari. Woz did the work, but it was probably Steve pushing him that made him consider it possible in the first place.

Although Steve had ulterior motives, this doesn't seem too different than what we would say now of managers who were good at developing their employees.

Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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post #29

Take Jobs, Wozniak or Markula out of the picture and Apple fails. You needed a hustler/product guy, a brilliant engineer and a great business mind for success. Jobs legend was created because he built upon his skills. He enhanced his ability to spot and aquire great talent and learned (the hard way) how to become a great businessman.

True, but the least important in the mix was Jobs.

In YOUR opinion. I doubt those involved would agree.....if Woz was left to what he wanted to do he would have been giving away products......

All were equally important in starting the company.....

Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. But I've certainly failed a bunch of times. And now I'm going for the brass ring again. Work within your means, but reach for things that are out of your means.

I agree failure is important. It's easy to start with a large fortune and end with a smaller one though.

Basically what I'm getting at is: He had greater means and so could take higher value risks, but the basic mechanism is the same; it's just at a different scale.

In the end it comes down to having the vision and taking the risk. And one of his risks finally paid off. That is the essence of entrepreneurship, and something to emulate.

Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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This shit is beyond absurd.

How can anybody write an article with a straight face suggesting that you should emulate any of these people who were notable chiefly because they emulated no one?

Can we get special flagging functionality to deal with this personality cult bullshit?

Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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post #25

Jobs without Woz would have found another company to run and another great idea to build. Woz without Jobs would just be some really good engineer inside some gigantic company no one has ever heard of. He even is quoted in the book as having aspired to that.

First statement is completely up for debate. Jobs did continue without Wozniak and he failed every product in the next 18 years and spent millions of dollars. Not something founders here can emulate.

It's worth checking out how many of Jobs' "failures" eventually came to pass. Crazy ideas like the stability of Unix with an Apple GUI..

Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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post #37

This shit is beyond absurd. How can anybody write an article with a straight face suggesting that you should emulate any of these people who were notable chiefly because they emulated no one? Can we get special flagging functionality to deal with this personality cult bullshit?

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Re: Why Founders Should Emulate Wozniak, Not Jobs

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right it did take a lot of convincing and hustling. It didn't take product vision from Jobs to make the Apple II a success however. Look at all the products Jobs tried to produce through his "vision," they all failed until the iPod.

What about iMac?

Yeh without Jobs Excessive attention to details I doubt many of the products of recent would be as well recieved by the customers are they were.
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