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Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by _kbh_ »

norwalkbear wrote: post #136
inglor_cz wrote: post #73

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As the Spartans famously said: "If". Ukraine gets massive support from the club of the richest countries on the Earth, and, unlike Germany or France, the Anglo-Saxon behemoths seem to be committed in full. So is Poland, the necessary logistics hub for supplies. Russia is alone, even Iran refused to sell their drones to them. The full impact of this economic and military imbalance cannot be seen yet. The Ukrainian arm…

It seems overall Ukraine isnt doing as well as the constant media spin says they are. TikTok is full of videos show uk guys running from conscription. I know a whole team of developers who fled to Poland early.I think they lost the morale war, and it's just a matter of time until Nato intervenes directly to start Ww3

There’s also plenty of evidence that says that Russia isn’t doing so well, they have 100s of people in some battalions refusing to fight (likely because all their friends turned back up home dead).

There’s tonnes of HIMARS strikes taking out command and control points of Russias behind the front line. The VDV (Russian paratroopers) and it’s leader ship have been decimated by this war.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by _kbh_ »

lotusmars wrote: post #146
deepsun wrote: post #131

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People in Russia can swallow poverty, injustice, corruption no problem. But they cannot swallow war defeat. This tsar is weak, need a better tsar who wins.

Judging by weak arms supplies by Europeans who don’t want to anger their gas supplier - Putin is far from defeat.

Theirs nothing weak about HIMARS and 500 T72 tanks, this myth of weak arm supplies is nothing more then that, a myth.

Ukraine is getting heaps of weapons and decimating Russian logistics and command and control with it. Enough that even the Russian propaganda is complaining about it.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by wrp »

kmlx wrote: post #140
UkrainianJew wrote: post #68

I find it rather worrying in the long term. Russia has been an extremely inefficient and corrupt state for the past 2 decades. Export oil & gas, import everything else, let the cronies pocket the proceeds, while having most manufacturing, defense and tech exist mostly on paper. People like Rogozin were promoted based on the loyalty and willingness to give a cut of the pie further up the ladder. Currently this trend a…

> Russia has been an extremely inefficient and corrupt state for the past 2 decades. not 2 decades. it’s been a corrupt inefficient machine since the bolsheviks. the lying and the corruption persisted throughout the ussr. the whole country and it’s precursor are just lies built one on top of the other and the westerners actually believed most of it.

Longer than that. Europeans have remarked on the corruption and inefficiency of the Russian state throughout history.

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Post by pandaman »

inglor_cz wrote: post #124
lotusmars wrote: post #118

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They won’t. Europeans drag their feet on arming Ukraine and pressure it to surrender (“peace”). The reason is gas and fear of refugee influx to Europe from hunger in Africa. Plus Germans paying Russia billions for gas beats any arms supplies possible. And they will not stop doing it.

"beats any arms supplies possible" Very observably not. Russia seems to be actually incapable of buying any modern weapons for the billions of euros it receives from Germany. Even China considers such cooperation too risky. The technical level of Russian equipment deployed in the battles in Ukraine has gone downhill since February. Now they are pulling really old stuff (designed or even manufactured in the 1950s-1960…

Russia is itself the 2nd supplier of weapons on the international market and buying from the 1st (the US) is pretty pointless as whatever the US is selling is incompatible with the Russian systems. Who you envision Russia would need to buy weapons from?

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Post by dragonwriter »

lotusmars wrote: post #146
deepsun wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People in Russia can swallow poverty, injustice, corruption no problem. But they cannot swallow war defeat. This tsar is weak, need a better tsar who wins.

Judging by weak arms supplies by Europeans who don’t want to anger their gas supplier - Putin is far from defeat.

> Judging by weak arms supplies by Europeans who don’t want to anger their gas supplier - Putin is far from defeat.

The subthread was discussing what would happen in the event Russia was forced to abandon the invasion, if you want to object to discussing that possibility as reasonable, the place is several posts upthread.

(Also, Western aid delivered since the major escalation by Russia this year has been several multiples of Ukraine’s annual defense spending and a sizable fraction of Russia’s annual defense spending. It is not “weak” arms supplies by any reasonable standard.)

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Post by lotusmars »

qaq wrote: post #167
JeremyNT wrote: post #133

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I feel like a protracted proxy war in Ukraine was never really on the table. What we've seen so far is the US and its allies forcing Russia to pay a "price" for its adventurism. The value of this is both to act as a deterrent against future actions and to strengthen Ukraine's negotiating power when it ultimately surrenders. I suspect that at a certain point everybody will be satisfied with the level of pain exacted,…

Don't judge people by yourself Ukraine will not surrender.

Europeans will force it to, unfortunately.

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Post by legulere »

lotusmars wrote: post #121
dragonwriter wrote: post #74

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> If Russia is pushed back into its borders, it will take a couple of years to ramp up weapons production and will retry Or the current regime will collapse. That often happens with large scale defeats, especially without a democratic outlet for internal change within the system.

Why should Putin’s regime collapse? Ruble is strong, people got +20% instant raise because of sanctions. Germany pours billions into Russian economy. Save for Netflix not working anymore, life in Moscow is even better than pre-war.

Alcohol consumption increased from an already elevated baseline caused by covid. It does not seem like life is better than before.

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Post by legulere »

oneoff786 wrote: post #162
lotusmars wrote: post #121

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Why should Putin’s regime collapse? Ruble is strong, people got +20% instant raise because of sanctions. Germany pours billions into Russian economy. Save for Netflix not working anymore, life in Moscow is even better than pre-war.

Russian gdp forecasted to fall 8-10%.

11.2% according to the world bank: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/fr/infographics/impact-sanct...

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by lotusmars »

gdy wrote: post #159
lotusmars wrote: post #145

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Not people. Criminal neo-Stalinist enclaves that Lungansk and Donetsk were turned into by Russia. People routinely disappear, being put in the basement (na podval), tortured for smallest reasons. Drafts when people are being used a cannon fodder. It’s a disgrace what Putin’s people turned this place into over 8 years. Same or worse fate awaits newly occupied territories too.

Is Crimea a criminal neo-Stalinist enclave too? Just asking.

Crimea is closer to a regular Russian region. Criminal groups affiliated to state and police rule. All dissent is suppressed and you’ll more likely to be harassed than murdered or disappear. DNR and LNR are more brutal, severe and chaotic.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by lotusmars »

legulere wrote: post #177
lotusmars wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should Putin’s regime collapse? Ruble is strong, people got +20% instant raise because of sanctions. Germany pours billions into Russian economy. Save for Netflix not working anymore, life in Moscow is even better than pre-war.

Alcohol consumption increased from an already elevated baseline caused by covid. It does not seem like life is better than before.

Most of the country was miserable, malnourished and in poverty for years anyway. It’s not like Putin’s elites care. It’s basically a serfdom. As long as people obey, and Putin’s clique can build palaces, it can go on for decades.
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