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Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by deepsun »

lotusmars wrote: post #121
dragonwriter wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Russia is pushed back into its borders, it will take a couple of years to ramp up weapons production and will retry Or the current regime will collapse. That often happens with large scale defeats, especially without a democratic outlet for internal change within the system.

Why should Putin’s regime collapse? Ruble is strong, people got +20% instant raise because of sanctions. Germany pours billions into Russian economy. Save for Netflix not working anymore, life in Moscow is even better than pre-war.

People in Russia can swallow poverty, injustice, corruption no problem. But they cannot swallow war defeat. This tsar is weak, need a better tsar who wins.

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Post by lordnacho »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #66
H8crilA wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There really will be nothing left of Donbwabwe and Luganda once the Russian army is done with them: no buildings/infrastructure (blown up by enemy artillery, or possibly own artillery if there is ever a counteroffensive), but certainly no capable men (all forcefully drafted into the army and then killed or maimed in combat). The worst part is that both sides have the resources and will to continue fighting for quite…

Prediction: HIMARS 300 km. Destroys the Russian dependency on railroads and with that, Russian military logistics capacity. Eg. Crimea: https://warsawinstitute.org/train-crimea-russia-condemned-op... https://newsbeezer.com/vietnameng/russia-deploys-smoke-scree... Their priority is also their weakness. Just look at the slow Russian advance without railroads in eg. Kyiv in the beginning of the war. They were stalled fo…

I don't get how they can be so dependent on rail. How did they ever threaten all of Western Europe if that was their strategy?

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Post by JeremyNT »

lotusmars wrote: post #114
Wertigoyr wrote: post #71

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Russia has plenty of things missing (chips etc.) This will take much more than just a few years.

Sanctions will be lifted or eased long before tech embargo hits. Putin has too many points to cause pain for European politicians. For example grain shortage caused by his naval operations will cause hunger in North Africa. Revolts and refugee influx to Europe will follow. It’s enough for Europeans to put pressure on Ukraine to surrender. If it doesn’t they will spoon-feed it arms so it will surrender by fall.

I feel like a protracted proxy war in Ukraine was never really on the table.

What we've seen so far is the US and its allies forcing Russia to pay a "price" for its adventurism. The value of this is both to act as a deterrent against future actions and to strengthen Ukraine's negotiating power when it ultimately surrenders.

I suspect that at a certain point everybody will be satisfied with the level of pain exacted, Ukraine surrenders, and Russia ends up with at least a large chunk of Ukraine.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by theplumber »

lotusmars wrote: post #102
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, now I get it. Now... what's the Russian F-word that Rogozin was apparently using? гомик? педик? these are pejorative rather than grossly offensive. пидорас is probably the best translation, but it is more of a slur than a contentful word. I am genuinely puzzled.

In Russia homophobia is such an integral part of society and day to day life (due to prison culture) that those horrific, dehumanizing and derogatory words you’ve mentioned are actually considered “pejorative rather than grossly offensive” N-word as well. Ordinary Russians will fight tooth and nail for their right to use this word.

>> N-word as well. Ordinary Russians will fight tooth and nail for their right to use this word.

To be honest I believe the americans promoted the n-word and they still do it MORE than anyone else(i.e russia). Just listen a random rap song or watch a movie with black people. It seems part of the american culture. As someone from a small European country I couldn't really understand how a word can be both "forbidden" and widely used by the offended party.

Nevertheless offensive words are offensives and we should try to avoid using them but talking about F word and N word and B word and M word even in a neutral context seems a bit too much censorship. We are not kids to be told we are not allowed to say specific words.

And it looks like now another word is going to be forbidden: H word.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by stuckinhell »

UkrainianJew wrote: post #68

I find it rather worrying in the long term. Russia has been an extremely inefficient and corrupt state for the past 2 decades. Export oil & gas, import everything else, let the cronies pocket the proceeds, while having most manufacturing, defense and tech exist mostly on paper. People like Rogozin were promoted based on the loyalty and willingness to give a cut of the pie further up the ladder. Currently this trend a…

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Post by norwalkbear »

inglor_cz wrote: post #73
UkrainianJew wrote: post #68

I find it rather worrying in the long term. Russia has been an extremely inefficient and corrupt state for the past 2 decades. Export oil & gas, import everything else, let the cronies pocket the proceeds, while having most manufacturing, defense and tech exist mostly on paper. People like Rogozin were promoted based on the loyalty and willingness to give a cut of the pie further up the ladder. Currently this trend a…

As the Spartans famously said: "If". Ukraine gets massive support from the club of the richest countries on the Earth, and, unlike Germany or France, the Anglo-Saxon behemoths seem to be committed in full. So is Poland, the necessary logistics hub for supplies. Russia is alone, even Iran refused to sell their drones to them. The full impact of this economic and military imbalance cannot be seen yet. The Ukrainian arm…

It seems overall Ukraine isnt doing as well as the constant media spin says they are.

TikTok is full of videos show uk guys running from conscription. I know a whole team of developers who fled to Poland early.I think they lost the morale war, and it's just a matter of time until Nato intervenes directly to start Ww3

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Post by norwalkbear »

inglor_cz wrote: post #120
adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is no where near running out of missiles. they still have a ridiculous amount of them.

On paper, certainly. But a lot of those missiles have been stored somewhere in Siberia for 40+ years. Their condition is probably less than stellar. Who would regularly inspect and maintain random ammo dumps located five timezones away from Moscow in the middle of nowhere? I suspect that at least some of those missiles are outright out of commission and others are unstable enough to be a danger to the Russians themse…

Maybe but those are big assumptions. Does the USA inspect it's missiles in the middle of nowhere?

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by norwalkbear »

lotusmars wrote: post #121
dragonwriter wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Russia is pushed back into its borders, it will take a couple of years to ramp up weapons production and will retry Or the current regime will collapse. That often happens with large scale defeats, especially without a democratic outlet for internal change within the system.

Why should Putin’s regime collapse? Ruble is strong, people got +20% instant raise because of sanctions. Germany pours billions into Russian economy. Save for Netflix not working anymore, life in Moscow is even better than pre-war.

Alot of people simply can't imagine other countries might have a fundamentally different way of thinking.

Same hubris that lead to defeat in Afghanistan

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by inglor_cz »

norwalkbear wrote: post #136
inglor_cz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the Spartans famously said: "If". Ukraine gets massive support from the club of the richest countries on the Earth, and, unlike Germany or France, the Anglo-Saxon behemoths seem to be committed in full. So is Poland, the necessary logistics hub for supplies. Russia is alone, even Iran refused to sell their drones to them. The full impact of this economic and military imbalance cannot be seen yet. The Ukrainian arm…

It seems overall Ukraine isnt doing as well as the constant media spin says they are. TikTok is full of videos show uk guys running from conscription. I know a whole team of developers who fled to Poland early.I think they lost the morale war, and it's just a matter of time until Nato intervenes directly to start Ww3

I don't doubt that some of their guys dodged conscription. In every war, someone does.

But "losing the morale war" would probably manifest itself in localized frontline collapses, and this does not seem to be happening. The recent retreat in Luhansk oblast wasn't a rout, and other sections of the frontline are barely moving.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by kmlx »

UkrainianJew wrote: post #68

I find it rather worrying in the long term. Russia has been an extremely inefficient and corrupt state for the past 2 decades. Export oil & gas, import everything else, let the cronies pocket the proceeds, while having most manufacturing, defense and tech exist mostly on paper. People like Rogozin were promoted based on the loyalty and willingness to give a cut of the pie further up the ladder. Currently this trend a…

> Russia has been an extremely inefficient and corrupt state for the past 2 decades.

not 2 decades. it’s been a corrupt inefficient machine since the bolsheviks. the lying and the corruption persisted throughout the ussr. the whole country and it’s precursor are just lies built one on top of the other and the westerners actually believed most of it.

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