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Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by [deleted] »

The_suffocated wrote: post #25
elliekelly wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not the person you're replying to but Rogozin is an actual neo-Nazi: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-racist/russian-ult... Someone else in this thread linked a video of him giving the Nazi salute (is there a name for this?) after his speech at the rally mentioned in the Reuters article. I can't think of any reason someone would attend or speak at such an event, let alone salute like that at such an even…

The Nazi salute is called the “Bellamy salute” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute ), which actually was an American invention.

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Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by theplumber »

lotusmars wrote: post #23
orbital-decay wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you're being downvoted. The guy is a long-time far right activist (and a journo by education and trade, no connections to aerospace whatsoever). His twitter reflects that perfectly, at least in Russian. His appointment as a head of space industry was unexpected, to put it mildly, especially at the time when Kremlin was stomping on nationalists.

Yeah, he was heading actual Nazi parades. There are enough videos on YouTube with him at the rallies wearing a leather jacket with saluting neo-Nazis around. He also uses N-words and F-words freely. He first gained notoriety at 2003 parliament elections leading a pro-Putin ultranationalist party Rodina. One of Rodina’s TV ads were comparing Caucausus people to street trash. People say though that Rogozin is not a big…

>> N-words and F-words freely.

What are the F words? Fascist?

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by ceejayoz »

The_suffocated wrote: post #25
elliekelly wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not the person you're replying to but Rogozin is an actual neo-Nazi: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-racist/russian-ult... Someone else in this thread linked a video of him giving the Nazi salute (is there a name for this?) after his speech at the rally mentioned in the Reuters article. I can't think of any reason someone would attend or speak at such an event, let alone salute like that at such an even…

The Nazi salute is called the “Bellamy salute” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute ), which actually was an American invention.

It's also just called the Nazi salute now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by CoastalCoder »

r721 wrote: post #21
gdy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean specifically?

Here's a recent episode (he was banned from Twitter for that): "Dmitry Rogozin (Director General of Russia’s Roskosmos State Space Agency, former Deputy Prime Minister) – comments on his Twitter feed and Telegram channel (June 13, 2022) “In general, what has grown up in the place of Ukraine is an existential threat to the Russian people, Russian history, Russian language and Russian civilization. If we do not put an…

(I really hope my intent with this comment isn't misunderstood.)

I think I've been hasty to judge other people's positions in the past. I'm guilty of confidently stating a view on a topic despite knowing that I haven't taken the time to really understand the others' position. Probably 80% of the time, my final conclusion matches my initial one. But I'm trying to become more responsible about this kind of thing. So to that end...

I'd like to understand Rogozin's reasons for holding those beliefs. I know basically nothing about that region's history. Is he working from bad factual / historical data? Has he been exposed to specific propaganda / psy-ops? Has he seen or experienced something traumatic that makes him hyper-vigilant about Ukranian leadership or non-Russians in general?

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by lotusmars »

theplumber wrote: post #32
lotusmars wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, he was heading actual Nazi parades. There are enough videos on YouTube with him at the rallies wearing a leather jacket with saluting neo-Nazis around. He also uses N-words and F-words freely. He first gained notoriety at 2003 parliament elections leading a pro-Putin ultranationalist party Rodina. One of Rodina’s TV ads were comparing Caucausus people to street trash. People say though that Rogozin is not a big…

>> N-words and F-words freely. What are the F words? Fascist?

A slur word used against gay people.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

ushakov wrote: post #2

he's switching jobs, apparently > according to Meduza’s sources, Dmitry Rogozin will become one of the Kremlin’s supervisors for the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics” and the other Russian-occupied territories in Ukraine https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/13/the-president-likes-...

suits him well, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FUpOyEdHw (fast forward to 1:25); the Meduza article also says that Putin loves this shithead...

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by CoastalCoder »

bvrmn wrote: post #22
gdy wrote: post #18

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I haven't heard anything like that from him for 15 years.

With new assignment we definitely hear something about non-existing Ukrainian nation. There is no such thing like former nazi.

> There is no such thing like former nazi.

Here's one counterexample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansi,_the_Girl_who_Loved_the_...

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by r721 »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #34
r721 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a recent episode (he was banned from Twitter for that): "Dmitry Rogozin (Director General of Russia’s Roskosmos State Space Agency, former Deputy Prime Minister) – comments on his Twitter feed and Telegram channel (June 13, 2022) “In general, what has grown up in the place of Ukraine is an existential threat to the Russian people, Russian history, Russian language and Russian civilization. If we do not put an…

(I really hope my intent with this comment isn't misunderstood.) I think I've been hasty to judge other people's positions in the past. I'm guilty of confidently stating a view on a topic despite knowing that I haven't taken the time to really understand the others' position. Probably 80% of the time, my final conclusion matches my initial one. But I'm trying to become more responsible about this kind of thing. So to…

Personally I think this is quite close to truth:

>People say though that Rogozin is not a big believer in anything, he’s just a huge cynical careerist coming from a very privileged nomenclature background riding any wave that brings him to the top. Right now he’s one of the major pro-war hawks.

(quote from this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32108578)

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by lotusmars »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #34
r721 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a recent episode (he was banned from Twitter for that): "Dmitry Rogozin (Director General of Russia’s Roskosmos State Space Agency, former Deputy Prime Minister) – comments on his Twitter feed and Telegram channel (June 13, 2022) “In general, what has grown up in the place of Ukraine is an existential threat to the Russian people, Russian history, Russian language and Russian civilization. If we do not put an…

(I really hope my intent with this comment isn't misunderstood.) I think I've been hasty to judge other people's positions in the past. I'm guilty of confidently stating a view on a topic despite knowing that I haven't taken the time to really understand the others' position. Probably 80% of the time, my final conclusion matches my initial one. But I'm trying to become more responsible about this kind of thing. So to…

As I mentioned above most sources say he’s actually a huge careerist coming from a nomenclature family and doing everything to get through the ranks.

It’s a really easy climb if you share Nazi and homophobic views of Russian elites and being vocal about it.

Plays very well with army generals, old Kremlin elite and general population as well.

Re: Dmitry Rogozin has been dismissed as director general of Roscosmos

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Post by CoastalCoder »

lotusmars wrote: post #39
CoastalCoder wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I really hope my intent with this comment isn't misunderstood.) I think I've been hasty to judge other people's positions in the past. I'm guilty of confidently stating a view on a topic despite knowing that I haven't taken the time to really understand the others' position. Probably 80% of the time, my final conclusion matches my initial one. But I'm trying to become more responsible about this kind of thing. So to…

As I mentioned above most sources say he’s actually a huge careerist coming from a nomenclature family and doing everything to get through the ranks. It’s a really easy climb if you share Nazi and homophobic views of Russian elites and being vocal about it. Plays very well with army generals, old Kremlin elite and general population as well.

Could you explain what a "nomenclature family" is? I haven't heard that term before.
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