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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by dylan604 »

wizofaus wrote: post #550
dylan604 wrote: post #448

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>but there's never disclaimer that the video is staged or a skit. This is where working in the entertainment industry has jaded me a bit. By default, I assume that if it captured on camera, it has been planned/staged/etc for the explicit purpose of being shown to people. With social media, I think it has been turned up to an 11 as everyone is trying to become social media famous. It takes a bit of convincing for me t…

"By default, I assume that if it captured on camera, it has been planned/staged/etc for the explicit purpose of being shown to people" - I'm genuinely curious, you'd include much of the war footage that's come out of Ukraine recently? I've no doubt a certain amount of it is "stage managed" and carefully edited to come across on TV as strikingly as possible, but to imply that most of it (including secret-filmed footag…

I feel like you're trying to add something to it that's not there. I never claimed that everything is fake that is out there, only that I assume it is until verified later. I don't consume social media, and the only time I see stuff is when people directly link to it. However, my personal position is that if it is coming out on social media first, in my mind it absolutely 100% gets flagged as potentially fake/needs verification. And if you think the Ukraine content isn't being PR managed by either side, then I think maybe you're their target audience.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by exo-pla-net »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #419

I find a very stark contrast between this discussion and the one on dominos couple of days ago [0]. There most people thought it was all well and good to spend 50M to advertise a 100k kindness. This is just business. Here people (IMO correctly) see this a virtue signaling and not kindness. To me there is really no difference, Dominos did not do kindness, neither did this tiktok douche. All calculated to mislead peopl…

And people donate to get parks built, largely for the plaque with their name on it.

At the end of the day, the public still gets a park. Good has been done.

Fixating on motivates is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There aren't "good people" or "bad people". There are just people, and motives are almost always mixed.

The people who are smearing this kid are acting worse than the kid himself. I'll drink your downvotes. Yes, I think you're being nastier than the kid, who was doing some boring grifting.

He was unemphatic, but you're being downright cruel. "Vile scam artist" "TikTok douche". He's a human being, and what he did was wrong, but I nevertheless think he's morally superior to most of you, who are dehumanizing him much more thoroughly than he dehumanized the woman.

His behavior was bad, and yours is worse.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by throwaway675309 »

petercooper wrote: post #119
silicon2401 wrote: post #68

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I agree much more with your wording of the idea, though I still believe 100% it's possible to do something kind with the intention of filming it. If someone wants to donate a million dollars to me they're welcome to film it on a million cameras if they want

MrBeast. He's almost universally lauded for his generosity and good deeds which are mostly funded by ad revenue or sponsors and seemingly done specifically for YouTube clout.

Ugh. Everything about "MrBeast" I find marginally offensive. The way that he approaches the idea of unconditional charity is almost theatrical and smacks of sensationalism.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by throwaway675309 »

sschueller wrote: post #163

I am glad that filming someone here (Switzerland) without consent is not legal even in public. You can film in public but if a person is the center attention in your footage it becomes illegal and you need their consent especially if you publish it. Only exceptions are large public events where privacy can not be expected. Same goes for identifiable information like license plates. For example if you film a parking l…

What happens if you're witnessing a police officer engaged in illegal acts (not uncommon in the states at least)? Must you obtain permission to record him?

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Post by Invictus0 »

strix_varius wrote: post #314
Invictus0 wrote: post #257

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Quite confused. Please explain.

Sure: > That it should be illegal to speak to people in public? The error here has nothing to do with people speaking to one another in public. Of all the strawmen you could choose for why people find fault with this behavior, that's the least realistic.

And yet neither you nor the other commented has explained their actual stance, so idk how you can accuse me of constructing a strawman when nothing substantive was articulated in the first place.

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Post by djmips »

admax88qqq wrote: post #245
winternett wrote: post #156

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So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

It's interesting how you're complaining about so much content being staged. I much prefer that this type of content is staged. The alternative appears to be harassing random strangers like the case in the article. With staged content the only victim is the duped audience who can always just not watch TikTok.

And in this case it was 'staged' but involved a random victim.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by strix_varius »

Invictus0 wrote: post #585
strix_varius wrote: post #314

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Sure: > That it should be illegal to speak to people in public? The error here has nothing to do with people speaking to one another in public. Of all the strawmen you could choose for why people find fault with this behavior, that's the least realistic.

And yet neither you nor the other commented has explained their actual stance, so idk how you can accuse me of constructing a strawman when nothing substantive was articulated in the first place.

Literally just read the top few comments. This isn't that hard mate:

> The reason this act breaks a moral boundary is that it subverts a principle of "ends" [1]. A genuine random act of kindness cannot occur if it's being filmed. Filming the act turns it into a virtue display. It also turns the subject into an object of utility, a means and not and end in themself.

> She was actually being kind to him by doing him a favor, and then he basically ran away and stuck her with them. That's not kind at all, it's pushy and exploitative. As someone who doesn't usually like to accept gifts from random strangers, I'd be really put off and uncomfortable; and that's before taking into consideration the fact that it was filmed and put online for people to gawk at.

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Post by djmips »

sva_ wrote: post #176
naillo wrote: post #35

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It's funny how these videos say they're intended to spread love and encourage random acts of kindness, but the actual effect of them is decreasing trust in strangers (that they might be filming us for their tiktok). This makes me not trust anyone that goes up to me in the street.

With the amount of beggars in cities, I already highly distrust anyone who comes up to me to speak to me. 99 out of 100 times it is someone who tries to somehow enrich themselves.

Where I grew up it seemed like a lot of people who randomly struck up a conversation wanted to recruit you into a multi level marketing organization and another bunch who wanted to recruit you to their religion. Kind of depressing that it seemed few that just wanted to talk.

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Post by bergenty »

elliekelly wrote: post #407
bergenty wrote: post #393

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This comment is even more disgusting than the video and it's exactly the type of invasive public commentary she's speaking out against. Who are you to make an assessment about this woman's mental state? Or how attractive she is or isn't? Or how "enamored" she is or isn't? What makes you somehow more capable or better suited to assess how she's feeling and what she's thinking than she is herself? The absolute audacity…

Why? Psychologist go out of their way to publicly diagnose people and it’s just considered analysis with the entire field being crock with almost no reproducibility for any claims. Is the truth in the comment above rubbing you the wrong way? There nothing misogynistic about it, this is an actual instance of “telling it how it is” and you can’t stand it because of how real it feels.

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Post by kleer001 »

googlryas wrote: post #543
kleer001 wrote: post #446

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Yea, I wonder what it would be like to live in a culture, in a civilization, without usury. I think it'd be pretty nice. Also, isn't most important stuff older than Jesus? Like, he's a bit of a best-of compilation, right? Not to denigrate the story, I'm a big fan.

It's out there - look up "Islamic finance" (or Islamic banking)

Oh yeah, I know about that.

There's a lot of other baggage with that one particular culture.

I forgot to stipulate a lot of other things besides just lack of usury that I would like to have in a culture.

It might just be that lack of usury leads to economic stagnation.

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