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Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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If it’s RSUs why are they worthless?

Because they can't be sold right now. And the future date at which they could be sold is undetermined and doesn't appear to be any time soon.

What does that have to do with the valuation getting lowered?

If a person had 1000 RSUs that were on paper worth 40k, now they are worth 30k. Either way they can’t be sold right now. And I don’t understand how 30k is “worthless”

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

#53
post #29

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They’ve hired 1000s of people with promises of an IPO and currently worthless RSUs. They would need to address that with a change in pay structure and likely some large bonuses up front. But otherwise agree with your reasoning.

If it’s RSUs why are they worthless?

Not worthless, "illiquid"

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

#54
post #41

Remember that Stripe changed its RSU grant structure a year or so ago, so this won’t negatively affect newer employees. Stripe gives out a fixed amount of $$ value of stock each year now. The typical recent senior hire will get around $200k a year in stock. Now that the valuation is lower, they’ll be granted more stock units than before, which is good. Getting granted fewer stock units at a ‘fake’ higher valuation wo…

isn't that $200k/year in stock worthless anyways?

Not exactly, but has huge valuation risk and is likely to end up being $50k all said and done. The trouble with equity is that it can fluctuate wildly in value and you only have yourself to blame (because the decision to sell is ultimately yours, and there can be a lot of anxiety and regret attached to it).

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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The imaginary value went down, unless they are actually offering liquidity for employees who have exercised.

Secondary markets exist for Stripe stock.

If they buy back after exercising, they would be making a profit!

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

#56

What is an internal valuation, and does Stripe actually lose anything from lowering it? My cynical experience suggests that companies usually have more to gain by lowering their valuation than they do by inflating it. Apologies if the article already described the possible negative impacts to Stripe caused by a decreased internal valuation. I’m unable to read it since it requires a subscription I cannot afford (due t…

I don't think so. If more equity is raised at a lower valuation then isn't it the definition of a "down round", where existing investors take a haircut? Of course, employees bear the brunt of the down rounds because their meagre holdings can turn out to be worthless after a down round.

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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post #54
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't that $200k/year in stock worthless anyways?

Not exactly, but has huge valuation risk and is likely to end up being $50k all said and done. The trouble with equity is that it can fluctuate wildly in value and you only have yourself to blame (because the decision to sell is ultimately yours, and there can be a lot of anxiety and regret attached to it).

most of the startups that offered me stock options had completely exaggerated valuations, so...

my heart goes to engineers, who joined a startup on bold promises to make it, but never got to IPO, M&A or even worse - were forced to execute options to later sell them at loss

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

#59

Remember that Stripe changed its RSU grant structure a year or so ago, so this won’t negatively affect newer employees. Stripe gives out a fixed amount of $$ value of stock each year now. The typical recent senior hire will get around $200k a year in stock. Now that the valuation is lower, they’ll be granted more stock units than before, which is good. Getting granted fewer stock units at a ‘fake’ higher valuation wo…

Frankly, I'd be fucking pissed off about this if I had options.

Re: Stripe cuts internal valuation by 28%

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post #25

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Why would they need to IPO? Is liquidity stopping them from building anything right now or growing? Why give up any amount of power for a strong private company? Stripe could stay private forever (or 20 years which is the avg lifespan I think of private companies)

They’ve hired 1000s of people with promises of an IPO and currently worthless RSUs. They would need to address that with a change in pay structure and likely some large bonuses up front. But otherwise agree with your reasoning.

TBF all those people who took those promises also knew they might never come to realization. In which case, small exodus and you replace them with people FTE's within a reasonable salary range. Happens all the time.
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