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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by phpisthebest »

cool_dude85 wrote: post #216
phpisthebest wrote: post #182

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That depends on the type and scope of "negative externalities", and not all libertarian philosophies agree on the where to draw that line. Some would say a negative exernality like CO2 emissions would raise to the level for government regulations (violating NAP) , other libertarian philosophies would not, viewing it a totalitarian control as human breath expeals CO2 so if the government can regulate it then there are…

>viewing it a totalitarian control as human breath expeals CO2 so if the government can regulate it then there are no limits on government at all. "If the gubmit can tell multinational corps not to pull oil out of the ground, they can make me hold my breath! It produces the same molecule!" Libertarian philosophy in a nutshell.

That is hardly the argument but it is clear you do not want to have a substantive discussion so there is little point wasting my time explaining it

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Post by yunwal »

lurquer wrote: post #568
kelnos wrote: post #559

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> that's before taking into consideration the fact that it was filmed and put online for people to gawk at. That's the thing for me. If you are truly doing a "random act of kindness", then you are not planning it, you are not filming it, and you are not putting it online. You are also being respectful: some people would be put off or offended for accepting certain kinds of help, so you probably should ask for consent…

"But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret.” Matthew 6:3-4

I feel like having an open culture around charitable giving is important. If more people felt like they were participating in something when giving to charity, they'd probably donate more (not saying that applies to this video, just in general). I think you can recognize when someone's not being genuine, but I don't mind people talking about their generosity.

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Post by phpisthebest »

jamiek88 wrote: post #414
phpisthebest wrote: post #182

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That depends on the type and scope of "negative externalities", and not all libertarian philosophies agree on the where to draw that line. Some would say a negative exernality like CO2 emissions would raise to the level for government regulations (violating NAP) , other libertarian philosophies would not, viewing it a totalitarian control as human breath expeals CO2 so if the government can regulate it then there are…

Well who gives a shit what libertarians think? It’s a philosophy for 12 year olds. I can come up with any old bullshit by extending arguments to a level of ludicrousness like that. Doesn’t mean you should entertain my bullshit. humans are social creatures and have alway, always, always lived in a societal hierarchy. Our only genuine political decision we can make is what kind of government we want and how much freedo…

>>Well who gives a shit what libertarians think?

well the person I was responding to who specifically talked about libertarian positions.

>>It’s a philosophy for 12 year olds.

Only for those with a 5th grade understanding of philosophy. The rest of your comment highlights your extreme ignorance of libertarian philosophy nicely, because no where in the philosophy do we deny social hierarchy or human nature, infact the primary goal of the different philosophies is to curb the natural tendencies of human nature to seek power over others, the "most ruthless person" wins has been found through out history in all manner of non-libertarian government, and the US Constitution is the closest formation of a libertarian government and has been pretty successful at resisting those natural tendencies, to the extent we have seen revision from that it is directly due to removal libertarian ideas from the US Governmental system and replacing them with majoritarian / collectivist ideals and policies

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Post by nkozyra »

strogonoff wrote: post #513
nkozyra wrote: post #190

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> Criminal and civil lawsuits are separable. Of course, you can sue for literally anything, but what damages would they claim?

IANAL but similarly if someone steals your bicycle/car/camera while you’re not using it and then brings it back in pristine condition, what damages would you claim? It’s more like “this is my property, I make it available to public under some conditions, this guy violates that condition”. That said, the reality is that property owners and adjacent people often benefits from property being featured in a viral video. U…

> IANAL but similarly if someone steals your bicycle/car/camera while you’re not using it and then brings it back in pristine condition, what damages would you claim?

But that's ... a crime. Generally you can't sue for damages after a crime unless you can claim damages.

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Post by lelandfe »

kelnos wrote: post #565
dropit_sphere wrote: post #553

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This is more a disagreement about fact than it is a threat. "Take care of your body or else it will grow weak and sick" has a directive and a warning of consequences---is it a threat?

Your example isn't a threat because there is no external/conscious actor who is going to cause your body to grow weak and sick if you don't take care of it; it will just happen as a consequence of normal biological processes. There need not be a consequence of failing to follow the Christian Bible; God/Satan have decided that there will be consequences, and Satan will be the one torturing you if you don't do what God…

Your questioning here rhymes with what drove me from the church:

If God is good, why do bad things happen?

I never got an answer that resonated with me. Wound up not pursuing theology.

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Post by int_19h »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #325
cool_dude85 wrote: post #216

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>viewing it a totalitarian control as human breath expeals CO2 so if the government can regulate it then there are no limits on government at all. "If the gubmit can tell multinational corps not to pull oil out of the ground, they can make me hold my breath! It produces the same molecule!" Libertarian philosophy in a nutshell.

Your post made me wonder what libertarians think about things like llcs and corporations - the legal shields they provide are a massive government subsidy.

Libertarians are not a hivemind. I mean, for starters, you'll have to clarify if you mean right-wing or left-wing libertarians.

Speaking for myself, as a left-wing libertarian, I think that corporations, being an artificial creation of society, can come with whatever strings society deems suitable to attach to that privilege - provided that they're the same for everyone.

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Post by gnubison »

Nextgrid wrote: post #70
highwaylights wrote: post #20

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I don't want to tar an entire generation with the same brush, but I have noticed that younger people seem to be really taken in with these very shallow like-farming operations on YouTube and TikTok. Mr Beast is incredibly successful at this, in that his stunts produce massive numbers for very little outlay. A friend's kid in his teens was telling me about how he's the most generous person he's ever seen and it make m…

This has also decreased the quality of content online in general since everything appears to be optimized for idiots with a 5-second attention span. Whether it’s TikTok videos with that awful TTS voiceover reading the caption (I can read it myself, thanks) or YouTube videos that now always start with a ~5 seconds extract which spoils the entire video, or gaming videos with insufferable personalities. Oh and don’t for…

> YouTube videos that now always start with a ~5 seconds extract which spoils the entire video

I vastly prefer this to the kind of “informational” video that’s designed to keep you watching a 10 minute video for the 10 second answer

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Post by dools »

Karunamon wrote: post #406
dools wrote: post #274

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Virtue signalling is a term made up by a hard right libertarian propagandist writing for the spectator as a means of silencing progressive voices online. It’s a bullshit term for which we already had a perfectly good word: hypocrisy

Hypocrisy is insufficiently precise. It is possible to disingenuously engage in any particular activity. If you wish to describe a specific behavior, then a better descriptor is necessary. On top of that, not all virtue signaling is necessarily disingenuous. And all terms are made up, and the political leanings of the person who supposedly coined the phrase is irrelevant to its applicability.

You’re using the term disingenuous incorrectly so excuse me while I disregard your opinion on language entirely.

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Post by idrios »

usrusr wrote: post #86
macns wrote: post #15

> He wholeheartedly apologises to Maree if she was offended by what he did and urges her to contact him privately so he can personally apologise. > If she requests him to take down the video he will do that. The video should've been taken down already.

You assume that she would request the video taken down. But she might have realized that from her perspective, the damage is already done and she would gain nothing from the video being taken down. And would very much prefer him to get his share of unwanted attention as well (e.g. making it all the way to the hn frontpage)

I'm also guessing if she had made that request after it had already gotten millions of views, he'd have then made another video "why I took down my last video" or something to that effect, and disrespected her more. I certainly wouldn't risk Streisand effecting myself.

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Post by elliekelly »

blix wrote: post #423
teakettle42 wrote: post #399

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Would you mind sharing how you do this without making it awkward for the recipient or a spectacle? I’ve never been able to work that part out.

If someone doesn't have enough cash to pay for the groceries they brought to checkout, it's already an awkward situation.

I'll never forget the kindness a stranger showed me at Logan airport the day before Thanksgiving. I was already cutting it kind of close to departure time and my boyfriend had gone ahead to board so I figured I had just enough time to duck into one of the shops to get a bottle of water for the flight. It wasn't until the clerk rang me up that I realized my wallet was in the bag my boyfriend had taken onto the plane for me! A remember frantically digging around in my purse for loose change (talk about desperation!) and even though I can usually bank on my purse having plenty of change floating around at the bottom airport water is expensive AF! I don't know why I didn't just walk away, panic of the moment, I guess? But finally a lovely woman behind me saved me from my desperate coin hunting when she stuck her arm out next to me with $5 in her hand and said "Happy Thanksgiving!" The awkwardness of not being able to pay was pretty uncomfortable but she really, truly, made my day!
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