Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent • Hacker News Board

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by autoexec » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 9:50 PM UTC

nonameking2026 wrote: post #444

teakettle42 wrote: post #399

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Would you mind sharing how you do this without making it awkward for the recipient or a spectacle? I’ve never been able to work that part out.

Yeah - it would be strange if someone offered to pay for my groceries, just because I was wearing old jeans looking depressed and worried because of the price of bitcoin. But I think it's a good thing to do if you "hit" the correct "target".

I don't need strangers to pay for my groceries either, but I think if they did (assuming it wasn't for a social media stunt) I'd accept it gracefully and try to pay it forward somehow. Maybe offer to pay for the next person, or use the money I'd have spent to buy those prepared bags for food pantries some shops offer.

It's feels good to genuinely do something nice for another person and I wouldn't want to take that from them. It's also nice just knowing that not everyone in your community is only looking out for themselves. Might as well take the opportunity to do something for someone else

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by lbrito » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 9:52 PM UTC

I saw kids sneakily tacking a sticky note on a stranger's back a store a while ago. The person noticed (their stealth level was negative. It was embarrassingly obvious) and they awkwardly took it off and ran away.

I'm pretty sure it was some TikTok idiocy.

I get that adolescents have always been pretty nasty, but I don't think this licentiousness with random (and older) strangers was ever this prevalent.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by dropit_sphere » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 9:53 PM UTC

ALittleLight wrote: post #362

lelandfe wrote: post #191

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The way that CS Lewis puts this is essentially that if the reward becomes the motive, you're not going to get it: > We are afraid that heaven is a bribe, and that if we make it our goal we shall no longer be disinterested. It is not so. Heaven offers nothing that a mercenary soul can desire. It is safe to tell the pure in heart that they shall see God, for only the pure in heart want to. There are rewards that do not…

If the alternative is eternal torture in hell I'm not sure that holds.

This is more a disagreement about fact than it is a threat.

"Take care of your body or else it will grow weak and sick" has a directive and a warning of consequences---is it a threat?

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by autoexec » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 9:54 PM UTC

admax88qqq wrote: post #245

winternett wrote: post #156

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So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

It's interesting how you're complaining about so much content being staged. I much prefer that this type of content is staged. The alternative appears to be harassing random strangers like the case in the article. With staged content the only victim is the duped audience who can always just not watch TikTok.

I don't think the videos being staged is the issue, it's that they are staged without disclosure. We want to be entertained, but not lied to. A sitcom or summer blockbuster is a lie too, but we're all pretty clear about that going in. I think reality TV and cable news regularly crosses that line though.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by tomc1985 » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 9:57 PM UTC

closewith wrote: post #538

tomc1985 wrote: post #529

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And at what point do those people who made the choice to be drug addicts deplete the goodwill that is afforded to them? This isn't Minnesota or New York City. Our winters are mild; you don't need meth to stay warm at night, and the transients here tend to have more than enough clothing to stay warm when it gets into the low 50s/40s. In fact this mild weather is probably why we have so many of them literally dumped on…

> And at what point do those people who made the choice to be drug addicts deplete the goodwill that is afforded to them? With respect, do you believe people choose to become addicts?

They choose to take drugs with widely-known addictive properties, so yes.

I'm not talking about opoids which were sold to folks as non-habit-forming for a long time. Or other cases of addiction without consent. But I don't think that is the case here, for the majority of people.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by twodave » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 9:59 PM UTC

Dudeman112 wrote: post #331

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It isn’t. A primary tenet of Christianity is to identify with Christ, mainly through suffering. Much the way a workout can be rewarding in and of itself (e.g. the runner’s high), the suffering of sacrifice can be its own reward if given in the correct mindset. What makes this possible for the Christian believer is the faith/knowledge that one’s sins have already _been_ absolved, so Heaven has already effectively been…

>What makes this possible for the Christian believer is the faith/knowledge that one’s sins have already _been_ absolved, so Heaven has already effectively been attained I have yet to meet a Christian believer IRL who has actual faith that their sins have already been absolved so heaven has already effectively been attained Maybe that's more common in other corners of the world? I haven't met many people who actually…

There are entire books of the New Testament devoted to assurance of salvation. I find this sentiment I described commonplace in my area of the world (Florida, US).

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by autoexec » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 10:01 PM UTC

branon wrote: post #244

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The staged stuff doesn't bother me as much as the dangerous stuff: https://www.fastcompany.com/90287323/people-are-falling-off-...

Natural selection at work.

I kind of agree. Stupid people doing dangerous things for "likes" usually deserve what they get, but it's not as if there aren't external costs they force on the rest of us for their idiocy. The 911 dispatcher whose line is tied up, the paramedic who has to scrape some dumb kid off the sidewalk, the doctors who'll do their best to save whatever's left, or any innocent bystanders caught up in the mess these people make. It's certainly behavior we'd be better off discouraging.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by closewith » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 10:02 PM UTC

tomc1985 wrote: post #555

closewith wrote: post #538

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> And at what point do those people who made the choice to be drug addicts deplete the goodwill that is afforded to them? With respect, do you believe people choose to become addicts?

They choose to take drugs with widely-known addictive properties, so yes. I'm not talking about opoids which were sold to folks as non-habit-forming for a long time. Or other cases of addiction without consent. But I don't think that is the case here, for the majority of people.

I think this is a harsh and somewhat antiquated take on addiction, if I'm honest. I hope the curse of addiction never falls on you.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by kelnos » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 10:09 PM UTC

drakonka wrote: post #16

The video itself was quite off-putting when I first saw it. He didn't even just kindly offer her flowers. He _tricked_ her into taking them by making it sound like he just wanted her to hold them for him. She was actually being kind to him by doing him a favor, and then he basically ran away and stuck her with them. That's not kind at all, it's pushy and exploitative. As someone who doesn't usually like to accept gif…

> that's before taking into consideration the fact that it was filmed and put online for people to gawk at.

That's the thing for me. If you are truly doing a "random act of kindness", then you are not planning it, you are not filming it, and you are not putting it online. You are also being respectful: some people would be put off or offended for accepting certain kinds of help, so you probably should ask for consent.

If you're filming it, and intend to post it somewhere, then you have some sort of ulterior motive to doing it. And I don't really find credible people who claim to be posting them in order to "spread awareness" or inspire other people to do these sorts of things.

I wonder how much advertising revenue this sort of thing generates for someone with this guy's viewership...

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by kelnos » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC

sbf501 wrote: post #365

jonnycomputer wrote: post #57

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

This is even older than Jesus. I also am not religious, but there is a hebrew tradition of Tzedakah mentioned by another poster below, but here are the levels instead of a link., Maimonides defines eight levels in giving charity (tzedakah), each one higher than the preceding one. On an ascending level, they are as follows: 8. When donations are given grudgingly. 7. When one gives less than he should, but does so chee…

#1 surprised me, in a good way. Propping someone up before they're in dire straits is a great thing to do for someone. Identifying the need might be a little harder, but digging someone out of a shallow hole is easier and less costly than digging them out of a deep hole, and I bet that person will have a much better time not having to be in that deeper hole in the first place.

This reminded me how some municipalities with homelessness issues will often spend homeless-related funds toward subsidizing living expenses for people who are not homeless, but are living on the edge and would end up losing their homes if not for some extra help. It's much easier and better (and cost-effective!) to help keep someone in a home, than it is to wait until they are on the streets before helping them.