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Post by dllthomas »

_dain_ wrote: post #517
jeffbee wrote: post #440

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It is not just the racism but also practical facts. There are American cities without a black barber. A given city may lack the food culture or language of some ethnic group. The incredible whiteness of some cities is self-perpetuating.

Do you think that "whiteness" is a bad thing? What is wrong with white people? Do you not like us for some reason?

It's possible for there to be no problem with white people, regardless of how "white" they are being, while there is still a big problem with structural barriers to others moving to areas that might otherwise be the best choice for themselves and their family. I think the parent intended the latter, pointing at overwhelming prevalence of white people (rather than - as you seem to have read it - overwhelming... intensity(?) of white people) as being an indicator of the persistence of such barriers.

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Post by LunaSea »

colinmhayes wrote: post #775
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NYC has super low property tax. It's a win for no one

Attracting billionaires is a win. Even if they’re just there for a couple weeks a year they’re providing a lot of prestige.

Prestige sounds like "paying in exposure" that artists keep hearing about.

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Post by hgomersall »

hardwaregeek wrote: post #816
hgomersall wrote: post #811

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I'm not sure that's true. I think people are generally more honest that people assume. It's prudent to assume it will be stolen, but I suspect most of the time, accidentally leaving something somewhere for a short while would be just fine.

Sure but in how many cities would people be comfortable leaving a laptop unattended? I don’t think many. It’s pretty unrealistic to use that as the bar for NYC

My point was that perceptions don't necessarily correlate with reality.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

tomnipotent wrote: post #735
bufferoverflow wrote: post #663

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It's not alarmist. I look at the crime stats instead of listening to propaganda. And I am glad my taxes don't support Democrats' pro-crime policies.

But you're sharing propaganda instead of crime stats. So all you've done is repeat a Republican party "talking point", which in the context of crime over time is nonsense.

Plenty of evidence of DAs in Democrat-run cities not prosecuting violent criminals.

In Portland mobs fully control the streets, drag people out of cars and beat them, they threaten people, while police is just standing and watching. This is on video, not propaganda.

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Post by simonsarris »

woodruffw wrote: post #802
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> I like that the city is generally safer than the rest of America. Coming from New Hampshire: this is just fantastically untrue. NYC is about one hundred times more violent than where I live. It is so thoroughly not the same that I can usually tell when people come from cities simply based on how nervous they are. I think most people don't realize how badly it affects them, or how violent cities are versus "the rest…

Where did these numbers come from? You linked to a screenshot of a spreadsheet, but not its source. From a random search, I got 2.8 violent crimes per 1,000 people citywide , which means all 5 boroughs. For just New York county (Manhattan), the most official statistic I could find is 4.57 in 2019[2]. [1]: https://www.lx.com/community/nyc-crime-rates-how-dangerous-i... [2]: https://criminaljustice.cityofnewyork.us/ind…

I'm using NeighborhoodScout. Here's Manhattan:

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/new-york/crime

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Post by hardwaregeek »

happyopossum wrote: post #832
hardwaregeek wrote: post #744

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It’s midtown so it’s a tourist hub. Tourists are more likely to be targeted for almost all crimes. Plus they report it more.

> Plus they report it more. The implication there is that the areas with fewer tourists have higher true rates of crime than the official stats, which makes the overall case worse...

But other places also have underreported crime. In a place where police take 30 minutes to arrive it might not be worth it to call the police for some minor things.

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Post by dangus »

zjaffee wrote: post #714
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Before I start with my comment, I'll remind everyone that averages skew very high when there are outliers. NYC has a high quantity of extremely high rent tenants. I wish more news articles used medians and median per capita when discussing rents. The main point I want to make: even with those high rents, we tend to forget how much our cars cost us, directly and indirectly. Directly: AAA's average new car TCO is close…

I grew up in NYC and just completely disagree with your analysis here. There are a lot of hidden costs to live in NYC such as some of the highest income and sales taxes in the country, apartments where even if you own if a problem is found the forced maintenace costs can go up thousands a month and you get evicted for not being able to pay. Health driven by sin taxes on soda and tobacco, and much more along those lin…

Just to be clear, I am not saying NYC is literally cheaper than other places overall. I’m saying that this one major cost component of car ownership is not there, so the high sticker price of housing should be lessened by some amount.

Live in SF or LA and you’ll face similar costs and still need a car on top of it.

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Post by mcguire »

vjk800 wrote: post #476
simonsarris wrote: post #436

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> I like that the city is generally safer than the rest of America. Coming from New Hampshire: this is just fantastically untrue. NYC is about one hundred times more violent than where I live. It is so thoroughly not the same that I can usually tell when people come from cities simply based on how nervous they are. I think most people don't realize how badly it affects them, or how violent cities are versus "the rest…

Indeed. I come from a rural village where I could leave my bicycle unlocked over night at the center of the village and it wouldn't get stolen. When I moved to a city, one realization I made was that cycling is just a lot less convenient if you have to worry about your bicycle getting stolen. Also I can't leave my home door unlocked when I go somewhere (and thus have to remember to take the keys with me). I think sma…

A lot of this is simply a raw population effect. When I lived in Austin, I got in the habit of locking every door I went out of. Now that I live in rural Alabama, I frequently leave the house doors unlocked. I've forgotten to close the garage door for a day or so. My truck is frequently unlocked.

Statistically, where I live now is the same or significantly worse than Austin. But with the lower population, there are simply fewer incidents.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

brailsafe wrote: post #799
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So essentially, the assertion should be “NYC has some of the safest neighborhoods in fhe country” Which is not really the same thing at all…

That's gotta be similarly true for a lot of major cities though don't you think? Vancouver, BC is broadly quite safe, unless you drive, have a car centric cycling route, or walk down certain streets in the downtown Eastside during particular times of the week or day alone

But a city is the sum of all its residents. Saying that the well-off parts of the city are safe and ergo, the city is safe reeks of incredible privilege - that crime is okay as long as the people who suffer from it are the poor.

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Post by wnolens »

LooseMarmoset wrote: post #762
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I feel you here. I'm a relatively new NYC resident and worried that I'll be "ruined" forever. I've otherwise lived in Toronto and Seattle. It really comes down to fear of change I think. Humans are very adaptable, and the same one can thrive in car-centric suburbs as they would in shoulder-to-shoulder metropolises. Given no constraints, you prefer city. But throw in kids (requirement for more space/better schools), o…

I have lived in San Diego. I have spent time in Los Angeles. I have spent time in San Francisco. I am not a stranger to large cities. I can say with certainty I will never live in one of these places. I won't even live in Pittsburgh, which is an order of magnitude smaller than any of these places. There's no escaping people. There's no escaping politics or bureaucracy. There's no way to escape petty crime, crazy peop…

> I get why people like living in big cities. I will never again live in one myself, though. I totally get your take as well. In fact.. sounds like a really nice life that I hope to live one day.

But perhaps it's your stage of life & social context that makes the difference (it does for me). If you were single, didn't have many friends/family (or they were all in the city), or were dedicated to a career/passion whose nexus is in a city.. suddenly you might be running towards those people and institutions ;)

It's not all about the cute bodegas. The sheer number of single women in my demographic nearby is worth inflated rent for the next few years. $5k for a single person is some maxima, I'm living alone in a big apartment in a nice/safe neighborhood for $3k, 2 blocks from the train. The salary possibility in NYC easily covers the delta to smaller cities/towns.

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