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Post by TheCoelacanth »

simonsarris wrote: post #489
orange_joe wrote: post #475

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NYC is generally safer than the rest of America. NH is typically the safest region in the entire country. But the truth is that there are high numbers of relatively rural areas that are substantially more dangerous than NYC. Also, I think that crimes/mile is fairly un-instructive because of how much the legal boundaries of a city shift/as well as the amount that a person will travel in a given location (I live in NYC…

> NYC is generally safer than the rest of America. I don't think that's true: NYC is at 5.8 violent crimes per 1,000, and the national median sits at 4.0. That's 45% more violent than the median. That's not small! I feel like some PR firm must have implanted this idea in everyone's minds that NYC is somehow magically safer, but it's not showing up in the stats, and if the stats are skewed by reporting its almost cert…

Now look at dangers in general and not just crime and the picture is very different[1]. Judging by the total number of deaths from external causes, NYC was the second safest metro area in the country behind only Boston.

Much of that is because NYC has drastically fewer transportation deaths than most of the US. The worst states have literally twenty times as many traffic deaths as NYC.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new...

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Post by rory »

showerst wrote: post #750
rory wrote: post #560

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For people wondering the drivers here: car crashes, drug overdoses, suicides. So the claim isn't really referring about the things people usually consider when it comes to "safety" (interpersonal attacks), although it's talking about things that we perhaps *should* think about more when it comes to safety. If I'm being honest with myself, muggings in DC still scare me more than car crashes in Montana, despite the rea…

I’m on my phone right now so hard to check, but I don’t think DC actually is safer than most places. Crime here is comparatively high, and many people still drive.

It's not listed as a particularly safe or unsafe place by the measure of the Bloomberg article.

When I lived in DC I was several times narrowly missed by people blowing red lights, robbed, and once had to wake a driver up at a red light because they and a passenger had both passed out while driving at 11am. It definitely didn't feel like a particularly safe place.

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Post by thex10 »

zjaffee wrote: post #650
ctvo wrote: post #390

The problem for me, as a long time NYC resident, is that there's no other place in America I want to live even with work from home as a possibility. I like mass transit. I like not owning a car. I like that the city is generally safer than the rest of America. I like that it's the center for tech on the east coast, the arts for the entire country, and finance for most of the world. I like that we generally get along…

As someone who grew up in NYC, the only lasting appeal to me is family and specific ethnic culture that is much less in every city in the US that isn't NYC. The apartment I grew up in, in lower manhattan, today would cost more than 20-30 times what my parents paid for it in the 90s, and it wasn't a nice apartment. There was no laundry in the unit, it faced a dark courtyard, the tempurature of the apartment was never…

I grew up in NYC, in an even worse apartment. Despite no longer having family there, I would return in a heartbeat. I loved it and wish I could raise my kid there (in a better apartment, mind you)

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Post by colinmhayes »

pyrophane wrote: post #494

It used to be the case that NYC was expensive, but most of the rest of the country was cheap. If you didn't want to pay the ridiculous rent in New York, you could always move to a "second tier" US city like Seattle, Austin, or Denver, and enjoy a cool urban environment at a comparatively very reasonable price. That no longer seems to be the case. Yeah, it is expensive here, but when I talk to my friends living in tho…

I’m paying $1600 for a 3 bed in one of chicagos hottest neighborhoods. The trick is density, Chicago is made up of 3/4 flats and apartment blocks with solid public transport, so supply meets demand at a reasonable price. Of course the shitty weather and corruption helps lower demand too, but I’d say $600 a month housing cost is worth it.

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Post by asdff »

acchow wrote: post #645
pyrophane wrote: post #494

It used to be the case that NYC was expensive, but most of the rest of the country was cheap. If you didn't want to pay the ridiculous rent in New York, you could always move to a "second tier" US city like Seattle, Austin, or Denver, and enjoy a cool urban environment at a comparatively very reasonable price. That no longer seems to be the case. Yeah, it is expensive here, but when I talk to my friends living in tho…

This is temporary, right? Those tier 2 cities will feel much cheaper once NYC rents rise another 30%.

And then the tier 2 cities rents will also be legging up because they also aren't adding enough housing for the job infux they are seeing

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Post by throwaway743 »

artemisyna wrote: post #751
lr1970 wrote: post #659

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> In NYC the most dangerous areas are pretty far out from Manhattan East Harlem (part of Manhattan) is as dangerous as the Bronx and is very different from the Chelsea where you live. Manhattan is not a uniformly safe place. Also, NYC subway is filthy, disgusting and sometimes plain dangerous. Car traffic is worse than before COVID. There seem to be more cars on the streets, for people are avoiding subway and are usi…

None (or at least few) of the folks you’re gonna see on HN are going to be in the income bracket where they’re going to be living in East Harlem. It’s about half an hour from the places where things happen, at least, and might as well be an outer borough for most intents and purposes, given transit times, even if it’s technically within the stated geographical limits of Manhattan.

Eh. I wouldn't jump the gun on that claim.

"Where things happen", aka Manhattan? Tbh, Manhattan kinda blows these days. It's more or less a sterile, disneyified, yuppy, consumerist grazing ground from 100th down, with the exception of alphabet city and Chinatown. But even Chinatown's changing, unfortunately. Feels like the old Chinatown Fair shutting down was a signal.

Idk Manhattan has a few solid areas that have held up over the years, but I personally try to avoid it unless my boys and I have a skate session or heading to a museum.

Also, the commute from the boroughs really isn't bad. If you really need to get to Manhattan you're probably looking at 45-50 min on average, which is whatever... unless you live in bumfuck nowhere where there's not a stop within a mile or two.

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Post by hardwaregeek »

rayiner wrote: post #711
vjk800 wrote: post #476

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Indeed. I come from a rural village where I could leave my bicycle unlocked over night at the center of the village and it wouldn't get stolen. When I moved to a city, one realization I made was that cycling is just a lot less convenient if you have to worry about your bicycle getting stolen. Also I can't leave my home door unlocked when I go somewhere (and thus have to remember to take the keys with me). I think sma…

That’s not a “city” thing, it’s a “New Yorker” thing. People in Tokyo routinely leave things unattended in public, including valuable and easily carried things like laptops.

Or that’s a Tokyo thing. I can’t think of a single city in europe where you could leave a laptop unattended and expect to see it again.

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Post by throwthroyaboat »

tmnvix wrote: post #467

"The rent is too damn high!" A lot of talk of supply side issues, economics 101, etc in these threads. Greetings from New Zealand, where just like so many other anglosphere economies we've been playing the low interest property speculation game for decades now. We got really, really good at it. The last couple of years saw 50% increases in property prices. Madness. A funny thing's been happening in just the last six…

NZ doesn't do 30 year fixed mortgages like the USA does, so I presume this effects things a lot when interest rates go up? The bipartisan "medium density residential standard" legislation gave me a lot of hope for the future of NZs housing market, despite all the grumbling from some of my older relatives. Remains to be seen whether building supplies can keep up. Would be nice to have a land/capital gains tax though.

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Post by brailsafe »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #660
derekdahmer wrote: post #581

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The NYC crime rate varies wildly by neighborhood so I don't think its very useful to compare city-wide crime stats. For example, the felony assault rate is literally 10x higher in parts of the Bronx than on the UES. If you live and work in safer neighborhoods the city will appear to be very safe to you. In NYC the most dangerous areas are pretty far out from (edit: downtown) Manhattan and you'd really have to go out…

So essentially, the assertion should be “NYC has some of the safest neighborhoods in fhe country” Which is not really the same thing at all…

That's gotta be similarly true for a lot of major cities though don't you think? Vancouver, BC is broadly quite safe, unless you drive, have a car centric cycling route, or walk down certain streets in the downtown Eastside during particular times of the week or day alone

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Post by asdff »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #753
IceHegel wrote: post #528

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This is the per apartment rate, so anyone with roommates is paying a fraction of the listed rent.

Ah. The age old solution. Having 4 roommates in a two bedroom.

If you go to uni in california you are probably having 4 in a bedroom, so graduating to just 2 per bedroom is a big upgrade in standard of living. We've normalized tenements for the engineering class already for a lot of places.
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