Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time • Hacker News Board

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by Jcowell » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:20 PM UTC

hamandcheese wrote: post #594

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There are big city fixes for this. For example, most big cities offer bikeshares with docking stations all over the most popular places. So you can just use one of those bikes and not have to worry about theft.

In SF those aren't very cheap, and you also replace the anxiety of "will my bike be stolen" with "will there be any bikes left when I need one?" and "will there be any docking stations available near my destination?" I use bike shares opportunistically, but they are not a reliable mode of transport.

In NY I’ve yet to see this happen. Rather it’s an issue of , is there anywhere to dock the bike. The outer boroughs are also experimenting with Electric Scooters.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by _dain_ » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:21 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #642

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Do you think that "whiteness" is a bad thing? What is wrong with white people? Do you not like us for some reason?

> Do you think that "whiteness" is a bad thing? What is wrong with white people? “Whiteness“ is not the same thing as “white people”. There's nothing wrong with white people qua white people. (There's lots of things wrong with people as individuals, some of which are significantly more common among White people than other groups—e.g., sealioning about racial issues on internet fora—but that is a different issue.) The…

Well I remember people used to say the same thing about other groups -- they'd say "oh it's not that I don't like Jews, I just don't like Jewishness", whatever that means. And then that Dave Chapelle routine about black people. I don't see how what you're doing is any different.

I hadn't heard of that "sealioning" term before, and honestly I'm just even more baffled having Googled it. I guess I'm like the sealion in the comic, and the sealion is meant to be ... obviously in the wrong? But ... he's not? People are mouthing off about him and he wants them to explain themselves. Why is he in the wrong? You're mouthing off about me and people like me, where I can hear you, and you think you're just entitled to do that and nobody can say a word? If you have a problem with people like me, why don't you be a man and say it plainly? Instead of trying to squirm out of it with these silly little clique terms.

And "oppressing class under white supremacy"? What is this gobbledegook? My family is working class, I come from a long line of iron-mongers, my great grandfather had rickets because the smog blotted out the sun. They peddled this same race-war nonsense back in Czarist Russia, all the Elders of Zion conspiring to keep everyone down, it's a siren call of hatred. Snap out of it.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by filmgirlcw » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:22 PM UTC

hamandcheese wrote: post #594

googlryas wrote: post #576

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There are big city fixes for this. For example, most big cities offer bikeshares with docking stations all over the most popular places. So you can just use one of those bikes and not have to worry about theft.

In SF those aren't very cheap, and you also replace the anxiety of "will my bike be stolen" with "will there be any bikes left when I need one?" and "will there be any docking stations available near my destination?" I use bike shares opportunistically, but they are not a reliable mode of transport.

CitiBikes in NYC are a bit different than in SF. Honestly, bike theft is an anecdotal thing and it’s def a problem in New York, but I definitely think it is worse in SF.

As a pure anecdote, my husband had his bike outside in Prospect Heights for 3 or 4 years literally not moved. It had a lock but he didn’t even use the bike. It got weathered and abused and after literal years, I think it was finally stolen. In Seattle, where his has been broken into multiple times in a locked garage in our luxury building, I have no doubt that an untouched bike would have lasted a few weeks at most.

But that’s all anecdotal. I can say that in the 5 years or so that I used the CitiBike system, I never had a problem either finding a bike and the pricing was also more than fair. I frequently would take a bike from near Union Square and ride across the Brooklyn Bridge home on nice afternoons. I never once had a problem getting a bike or returning it to its drop off place near my apartment.

And the app/locator lets you know the status of bikes at any time so you can know if there is a bike at a specific site or not.

This might have changed in the last few years, but if anything, the city had a hard time convincing people to use the bikes. The system is a lot more efficient than the Lime bike/scooter setup that a lot of other cities like Seattle have (people in Seattle also don’t know how to use bike lanes and use the fucking sidewalks like assholes, because Seattle).

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by feet » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:22 PM UTC

abduhl wrote: post #344

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No, I just understand how to make valid criticisms. First step before you can criticize is to understand what you're criticizing

Apparently not because you didn't even understand what the GP was calling a bold claim (it wasn’t land being nontransable).

Really? You must have missed that the exact sentence that they quoted was based around the term that they didn't understand

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by csomar » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

throw93232 wrote: post #638

I visited Manhattan once, what I noticed was how run down metro (underground) was. I would compare it with Kiev metro around 2016, and that country was already at war. I have no idea how city hall can get away with doing so little!

Be careful. It seems from the comments here that NYC transit is one of the attraction factors.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by dopeboy » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

_fat_santa wrote: post #383

ianbutler wrote: post #273

I went to view an apartment in Prospect Park SW recently and the line wrapped around the block. When I went to apply I was told most people had offered over the asking for rent and how much I'd like to offer over the amount. We're blind bidding on rent in NY now. I wish this was an isolated incident but most apartments I'm looking for the amount of people applying is in the 50s low 100s I decided to just stay put and…

Whenever I hear about the rental market in NYC I always ask myself: why do people want to live there? In a way it's a rhetorical question but in another way it's not. Sure some will move there for a job but I'm sure not everyone is there just for work. Why do people put up with all that? Is it just the dream of living in NYC.

As someone who spent 21 to 29 there, it simply is the best place to live in the US for a particular part of life. Arts, food, nightlife - it makes it all worth it.

For me, I started to age out of it which made it less worth it. But it's more than a dream or "fomo" - it truly is the most enjoyable place to be in the US. I visit nowadays and it's just as magical as it used to be.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by toss1 » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

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Indeed. I come from a rural village where I could leave my bicycle unlocked over night at the center of the village and it wouldn't get stolen. When I moved to a city, one realization I made was that cycling is just a lot less convenient if you have to worry about your bicycle getting stolen. Also I can't leave my home door unlocked when I go somewhere (and thus have to remember to take the keys with me). I think sma…

I mean, Kryptonite literally has a 'NYC' line of bicycle locks. When researching getting a lock for a personal scooter NYC always comes up as ground zero for problems with theft, to the point where much of the advice is to not even lock it up but bring it inside.

Yup. that's been true for decades. Literally, I lived in Manhattan for a while in the 1980s and never even considered leaving my bicycle outside, either at home or at work locations. It was ordinary to see stripped frames still locked to a post, some just appeared, some sitting for many weeks. Crime has risen and fallen significantly since I left, so I have no good relative comparison, other than that this is not new.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by shostack » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #362

I wonder how much of contemporary Democratic politics is driven by insane rents in NYC and SF. The party has seen an influx of core Reagan voters—everyone from Wall Street bankers to Silicon Valley engineers (Reagan won Santa Clara County by 17 points in 1984). These affluent, highly educated folks have adopted the narratives and politics of the working class, juxtaposed against a ever-more-narrowly-defined “elite.”…

This comment nicely attempts to paint high earning (not necessarily wealthy) upper middle class professionals as the scapegoat for an issue they did not create. The reality is, the people who are actually wealthy (think deca millionaires on up through billionaires) and investment firms and corporations are the ones suppressing supply for individual home owners.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/us/corporate-real-estate-...

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by boringg » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

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As somebody with no dog in this fight (I live in the south east), I'd tend to agree with the Boston take. Simply being in the orbit of MIT can have that effect, along with everything else you listed. The issue with NYC from a perception as a hub of any one thing is that it's just so big with so many different things going on that tech just seems like one of many things going on there simply because of all the people.

MIT is part of it but Massachusetts is also home to a large number of other research universities including BU, Northeastern, Harvard, the UMass system, etc. As you say, NYC (like Silicon Valley) has always been more concentrated in terms of technology focus.

I'd agree with this. Boston area has a lot of high quality post secondary educations that feed business and talent. I would argue bay area has some of the same dynamics (Stanford, UCB & UCSF amongst others).

Silicon Valley has a high degree of tech but also a fair bit of climate tech which shouldn't be discounted.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Post by Jcowell » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

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We are already talking about Manhattan (New York, NY), it is where these numbers are from, and what the OP article is about. Obviously in The Bronx the numbers are much worse (9.28), and in Brooklyn they're a tiny bit better (5.43) but still well over USA median. Queens (3.25) is safer than median, though.

New York county (or borough) is Manhattan(for the most part), but that is talking about the city of New York, which includes Manhattan, Queens, Kings(~Brooklyn), Bronx, and Richmond(~Staten Island).

I wonder how many people think New York City is only Manhattan and not the 5 Boroughs together. For anyone who see this, yes it includes the “suburbs” that exists within all of the outer boroughs (even the Bronx!)