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Exactly. Wealthy residents should at some point realize that culture and entertainment venues/options are (often) created by lower income residents. If that disappears you get soulless places which are dramatically less fun to live in. Not to mention the service industry workers, who also need to come from somewhere.

You can get all that online. So it might make sense to move these communities to somewhere very very cheap. Or even distribute them around.

Ah yes let’s go to each other’s massive meta verse homes (we all really live in those cell room apartments) to view NFT galleries.

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>Those price increases incentivize builders to increase the housing stock (which subsequently lowers prices). This is not reality though. Here in the UK our housing is in major crisis because people simply cannot afford the insane price increases. Pretty much everyone I know shares their living situation, on their own they would not be able to afford basic amenities. The guardian today published an article showing: >…

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Yea, and they're disagreeing. What are you trying to say?

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This is why you need rent control. 100% of this price hike is going into landlord's pockets, it's not a result of inflation.

How did that work for Berlin? Try moving there today and tell me how affordable it is for newcomers. Rent control is basically subsidizing existing grandfathered tenants by fleecing those new wishing to move in, without fixing the underlying housing shortage in any way. The solution is always, always, having (building) more supply than the demand, yet nobody seems to get it.

> The solution is always, always, having (building) more supply than the demand, yet nobody seems to get it.

It is easy to hand wave "more building supply", but that's a medium to long term solution. What do we do in the short term?

Are we supposed to just allow landlords to hike people's rent anywhere between 10-40% year-over-year forcing them to be displaced?

There needs to be some middle ground.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Housing and land is a non-transable good, and therefore there should be heavy state intervention on it, preferably by doing the same as Vienna, which is holding >40% of the renting stock and charging according to income, and renting to a representative distribution of tenants so to prevent guettos. Rent is the main detractor of disposable income which hurts the rest of the economy, and property owners provide almost…

> CMV Rent is high because the demand in large cities majorly out strips supply. All policies that attempt to address housing costs that don't increase supply are treating a symptom and not the underlying cause.

My two cents : I believe that if you increase supply and allow more affordable housing in a city, it will only marginally decrease prices but will mainly attract more people to this city.

I think the solution to housing cost is to make smaller cities, towns and the countryside more attractive by having higher local tax rates in cities. This source of income could be used to build better infrastructure in the rest of the country.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Housing and land is a non-transable good, and therefore there should be heavy state intervention on it, preferably by doing the same as Vienna, which is holding >40% of the renting stock and charging according to income, and renting to a representative distribution of tenants so to prevent guettos. Rent is the main detractor of disposable income which hurts the rest of the economy, and property owners provide almost…

Property owners providing almost no value is just factually wrong. Their function is similar to insurance. You pay rent to live somewhere because you don't want to take the risk or can't get the loans to buy a property yourself. And it costs real money and time (i.e. real resources) to build those homes and maintain them.

In return property owners (or insurance runners) can get rich off your monthly payments as well as the inherent value of the property (/insurance company), but because of risk of ruin, opportunity cost for other investments and other related phenomena, it can mathematically be a total win-win for both sides.

What everyone complaining about property prices also always seems to forgoe are two things: First, people are clearly able to afford them or the prices wouldn't go higher. The myth that property investors buy homes on mass and don't rent them out which supposedly creates this pricing hike is idiotic. All of these big cities with insane rents have very low vacancy rates compared to the national average.

In almost all of these places where people complain about rent, we are talking about big popular places where everyone wants to go even though there are tons of realistic alternatives all around the country. The situations where it's economically totally necessary for you to move to an expensive place but at the same time you can't afford the rent is so rare as to be virtually non-existent.

Even the idea that people are displaced from their homes is an issue on a smaller scale than people make it out to be. That's because income in those expensive places is much higher than in cheaper places. There are people displaced from their homes, but that's because of poverty and other aspects of gentrification that are not necessarily tied to rent.

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post #194

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> Housing and land is a non-transable good, and therefore there should be heavy state intervention on it That's a bold claim. What led you to believe that's the case? And what is a "non-transable good"?

I think it might help to find out the definitions of terms before assuming the statement is wrong

Kinda hard to look up when someone misspells the word.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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This is why you need rent control. 100% of this price hike is going into landlord's pockets, it's not a result of inflation.

Rent control only helps people who already have a home and want to stay there forever. Everyone else loses because there are few vacancies. This means less job mobility, more difficulty recovering after being evicted, and less development, which further exacerbates the rent problem.

> 100% of this price hike is going into landlord's pockets

This is true, and the solution to this is a land-value-tax and to use that to offset the city's sales tax, which disproportionately impacts the poor. Hell, it would probably be enough if the city just assessed property taxes more accurately. My TL was bragging about his home being assessed at $800k, when it's easily worth $2M.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Housing and land is a non-transable good, and therefore there should be heavy state intervention on it, preferably by doing the same as Vienna, which is holding >40% of the renting stock and charging according to income, and renting to a representative distribution of tenants so to prevent guettos. Rent is the main detractor of disposable income which hurts the rest of the economy, and property owners provide almost…

Lol just tax land

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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post #194

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I think it might help to find out the definitions of terms before assuming the statement is wrong

Non transable is not a term that anyone uses and therefore is not one that has a definition outside of this thread. Which is why GP asked what it is, smart ass.

And the person I'm replying to, in the order of their statements and questions, first assumes that it is a bold claim and after that decides they don't understand the statement they're replying to. It's backwards

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Housing and land is a non-transable good, and therefore there should be heavy state intervention on it That's a bold claim. What led you to believe that's the case? And what is a "non-transable good"?

I think it might help to find out the definitions of terms before assuming the statement is wrong

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