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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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What is your opinion on Mr Beast? I just watched a video of his for the first time and he gave away over $500,000.

Yeah to me he seems genuinely generous. Obviously there is a part of it being done to attract more viewers (Otherwise he could simply not upload the video at all) but from my, granted limited, experience of his videos a lot of the money he makes goes in to making (I.e. donating more) new videos. Very different from getting millions of TikTok views for the price of a flower bouquet.

The discerning questions are: would he do this a) with his own money and b) if no one is watching?

I think both are no.

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Good thing it was just free flowers. Imagine if it had been a free puppy. "Here, just hold this" running off

Or a baby.

In both of those cases, Just get in contact with the apt shelter and child protective services to make sure the idiots running the tiktok can't endanger anything else ever again.

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The problem with public displays of virtue is that it comes off as seeking return value for the action. Virtuous acts should be done in quiet/secret and for the simple reason for it being virtuous. Seeking some other sort of value out of it (like social recognition, social credit, youtube views which end up with ad revenue) makes the act look dishonest. The act wasn't done because they were a nice person, the act was…

> it comes off as seeking return value for the action Surely that’s in the eye of the beholder? It is possible to interpret it that way, certainly. But applying the observers value judgement (i.e. how it comes off) onto the original actor seems unfair to me. Sometimes I feel like (and I don’t mean anything personal by this) we’re all cynical bastards these days so when we see someone do something genuinely altruistic…

> we’re all cynical bastards these days so when we see someone do something genuinely altruistic we simply cannot process it as such and immediately seek a way to dismiss it as self-serving

The question to ask is where this cynicism came from.

I would argue that it is the performative variety of virtue that has made us mistrust such acts.

We wouldn’t have a reason to doubt one’s intentions if those intentions are indistinguishable on the surface from a popular meme, which is what many of these recorded acts of kindness seem to be.

Only the person carrying out the act knows the truth of what is in their heart, but I would argue that the very act of recording, bolstered by the act of publishing that recording reveals there are other motives involved.

After all, why does one post such a video? To participate in the incentive structure afforded by the social media platform of choice.

Those incentive structures are inherently about self promotion, which feels incompatible with virtue.

Now you could argue that I’m just being cynical about why people post on social media. Maybe that person has a genuine desire to brighten someone else’s day through their own act of kindness. Maybe the guy with the flowers was similarly genuine.

I think the video that is the focal point of this thread provides a good counterpoint to this. It made me uncomfortable when I first saw it (before this article emerged), and now I have a confirmation as to why. Even if the guy had every right intention, the incentive structure of social media overrode his better judgement and blinded him to the impact he was actually having.

I don’t think it is impossible to highlight one’s good work in an appropriate way, and I do think there’s an opportunity to inspire people to do good things, but I’m not convinced that this trend of social media posts has anything to do with that.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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It seems like the video humanized her rather than dehumanized her. It showed her vulnerability. People don't like that.

Many people have a wish about how we should appear to others. When that breaks down, they feel bad. Being able to laugh one's self and accept one's imperfection is a good remedy.

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With the amount of beggars in cities, I already highly distrust anyone who comes up to me to speak to me. 99 out of 100 times it is someone who tries to somehow enrich themselves.

Please be more empathetic to people who beg for money.

try living in a city with a lot of them. you get tired of their shit REAL fast.

I've seen too many literal dicks just getting off the BART.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

The staged stuff doesn't bother me as much as the dangerous stuff: https://www.fastcompany.com/90287323/people-are-falling-off-...

People get pushed to the brink in desperation after years of posting but not being noticed... It's tragic, but to be honest, a lot of the people that end up dying in an accident for doing dumb things would possibly be even more destructive if they succeeded each time.

Not everyone is cut out to be an entertainer, influencer, or celebrity. The problem in our current world is that social platforms are encouraging everyone to quit their job to be those types of entertainers (while not paying the very same people), and it's not a realistic model for success, and quite possibly very harmful to the world's future and to mental health.

It has happened in the past, Evel Knievel was one of the most popular incidents of someone sacrificing themselves to entertain others well prior to the "like and follow" era.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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The video itself was quite off-putting when I first saw it. He didn't even just kindly offer her flowers. He _tricked_ her into taking them by making it sound like he just wanted her to hold them for him. She was actually being kind to him by doing him a favor, and then he basically ran away and stuck her with them. That's not kind at all, it's pushy and exploitative. As someone who doesn't usually like to accept gif…

It does sound truly odd. He seems confused about the concept of giving flowers. The actual flowers are not the point.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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post #206

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So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

The staged stuff doesn't bother me as much as the dangerous stuff: https://www.fastcompany.com/90287323/people-are-falling-off-...

> A British YouTuber named Jay Swingler performed a dangerous stunt about a year ago. He placed a plastic bag with a breathing tube over his head, then “glued” his head to the inside of a microwave oven with expanding plaster. The plaster set, and Swingler couldn’t get his head out of the microwave. It took a team of paramedics to set him free.

Wow.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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The reason this act breaks a moral boundary is that it subverts a principle of "ends" [1]. A genuine random act of kindness cannot occur if it's being filmed. Filming the act turns it into a virtue display. It also turns the subject into an object of utility, a means and not and end in themself. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ends

I'm not religious but it reminds me of Matthew 6:5-6 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."…

I was also reminded of Matthew 6, but I thought of the first 4 verses

“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

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> He wholeheartedly apologises to Maree if she was offended by what he did and urges her to contact him privately so he can personally apologise. > If she requests him to take down the video he will do that. The video should've been taken down already.

You assume that she would request the video taken down. But she might have realized that from her perspective, the damage is already done and she would gain nothing from the video being taken down. And would very much prefer him to get his share of unwanted attention as well (e.g. making it all the way to the hn frontpage)

It's probably a pretty safe assumption that she would be comfortable with it being removed, considering her feedback.

Particularly considering his current caption for the video remains "A beautiful gesture - little big moments".

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