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Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by tpoacher »

aetherson wrote: post #26
mirashii wrote: post #2

From a tweet: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1546419223466999809#m > & thx for your patience as we sorted it out But they haven't really sorted it out, have they? False copyright strike claims have been plaguing creators for years. This is just another case of someone needing social media and a huge reach or an inside connection to Google employees to get human eyes on a situation and "resolve" it, with no re…

They haven't sorted it out, but it's also fundamentally not really something that Google can sort out. They have a legal responsibility to respond to these copyright claims, with major penalties if they don't -- this is from DMCA and its successors, from an era of... I don't want to say "copyright maximalism," but something closer to copyright maximalism than the balance is today. We need to reform the legal responsi…

why do they have a legal responsibility to respond but are somehow exempt from the legal liability from acting in a harmful manner while failing to assert the legality of the claim?

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by cjbconnor »

Cyberdog wrote: post #60

That poor kid has been studying for two and a half years now. I really hope she's able to pass that test; it seems like a real nightmare. That aside, do we know the claim was really bogus? The article doesn't seem to mention that. It does seem like a rather easy grift to just nab a bunch of MP3 files plus some artwork from DeviantArt, throw them into IceCast or whatever, and go live on YouTube. I've listened to a few…

Lofi girl is part of Lofi Records (https://lofigirl.com), and I think they only play their own songs.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by akhmatova »

aetherson wrote: post #26
mirashii wrote: post #2

From a tweet: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1546419223466999809#m > & thx for your patience as we sorted it out But they haven't really sorted it out, have they? False copyright strike claims have been plaguing creators for years. This is just another case of someone needing social media and a huge reach or an inside connection to Google employees to get human eyes on a situation and "resolve" it, with no re…

They haven't sorted it out, but it's also fundamentally not really something that Google can sort out. They have a legal responsibility to respond to these copyright claims, with major penalties if they don't -- this is from DMCA and its successors, from an era of... I don't want to say "copyright maximalism," but something closer to copyright maximalism than the balance is today. We need to reform the legal responsi…

They haven't sorted it out, but it's also fundamentally not really something that Google can sort out.

Sure they can. They choose not to, for obvious reasons. If they were able to confirm, after the outcry, that the takedown claim was "abusive" -- by whatever criteria -- then there's no reason they couldn't have done that before they outcry. But the cost of doing that would start to chip away at, well, you know what.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by lom888 »

_23sd wrote: post #40

The abuse of this system is only going to get worse as high profile cases like Bungie's [1] highlight how exploitable it is, even against big companies. It seems to me, as an outsider to YouTube's systems, that the system of "copyright strikes" (which is not prescribed by the DMCA, it's a more recent demand concocted by MPAA and RIAA lawyers) has caused a lot of harm to good faith creators while determined infringers…

The company I work for builds websites for small and medium sized businesses throughout the US. For a period of about two years we would host a copy of a video that we made for the customer on YouTube and use it on customer websites. There came a point where a handful dissatisfied customers claimed infringement for some of these videos and our YouTube channel (thousands of videos) was terminated without appeal, even though the customer had always provided authorization and the contents for these videos. Fortunately we'd decided to self-host our videos before the channel was terminated but there were cases where we lost content that we'd created.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by [deleted] »

BudaDude wrote: post #8
buzzwords wrote: post #6

YT couldn't care less if creators are unhappy with anything at the moment. There is no real competition, so creators have to just deal with it. I hope for a real competition, where there will be a mass exodus.

This is becoming less true, TikTok is a major competitor. Yeah there is Youtube shorts, but its largely just reuploaded TikTok videos.

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Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by Cyberdog »

cjbconnor wrote: post #62
Cyberdog wrote: post #60

That poor kid has been studying for two and a half years now. I really hope she's able to pass that test; it seems like a real nightmare. That aside, do we know the claim was really bogus? The article doesn't seem to mention that. It does seem like a rather easy grift to just nab a bunch of MP3 files plus some artwork from DeviantArt, throw them into IceCast or whatever, and go live on YouTube. I've listened to a few…

Lofi girl is part of Lofi Records ( https://lofigirl.com ), and I think they only play their own songs.

Oh, okay, interesting. I didn't realize there was a whole record label behind it.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

YouTube screws content creators over, and content creators complain, and then go right back to YouTube, so that YouTube has no incentive to fix anything.

"Oh, you don't like it? Are you going to leave? No? K then."

YouTube makes its money because there are eyeballs on screens. As long as somebody is making content for those eyeballs, and the eyeballs remain on YouTube, there is literally z e r o incentive for them to change.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by Nasrudith »

mirashii wrote: post #58
aetherson wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't sorted it out, but it's also fundamentally not really something that Google can sort out. They have a legal responsibility to respond to these copyright claims, with major penalties if they don't -- this is from DMCA and its successors, from an era of... I don't want to say "copyright maximalism," but something closer to copyright maximalism than the balance is today. We need to reform the legal responsi…

Let's pretend for a minute that Google's DMCA system is actually necessary to comply with the law (other commenters below poke a number of holes in that claim, I don't need to repeat them here), and that it's the DMCA that's the primary method by which copyright strikes happen (also questionable and discussed in other comments). Even given those things, Google is complicit in the legal landscape being what it is toda…

You miss the context of "in the face of anti Section-230 and worse bills".

How is defending /not/ filtering being complicit anyway? That is about as strong a "personal choice" a stance a company can take.

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