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BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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And as soon as that car hits the second hand market, the next owner can find the appropriate relay, tap in a switch, and solve the rent to use problem.

"Irregular power draw detected, shutting down for your safety."

While obviously a big pain in the butt, aftermarket EV computers are coming onto the market which could help solve the long tail of used EV software related nuisances.

Lots of learning from the EV conversion market will go directly into that ecosystem too I feel. But that said, I'm pretty sure that it's already illegal in many countries to tamper with the ECU. It's currently because you can change the emissions profile of the car, but I'm sure they'll just swap to saying it's about safety instead for EVs.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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I can see it for some exterior feature of the car such as gold plated trim or fancy rims, but you would really have to be "in the know" about this brand, to know that someone has paid an extra $18/mo for this feature. Unless you ride with them.

Still, if this becomes a way that I can get a cheaper car by declining all of the add-ons, or if it lowers the price of used cars, I'll be happy.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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I seriously hope this doesn't catch on. For cars with internal combustion engines, the company tends to get constant income via service thanks oil filters, other filters, and a whole bunch of stuff that needs to be replaced (assuming people take it to authorised service centers, which I assume most people do when the car is relatively new). With the transition to EV, those avenues dry up because EVs need lesser maint…

Renting stuff is economically efficient as long as you don't let the actual owners abuse the relationship to their benefit. We've not had a good track record of that in the past, but still worth keeping in mind as a general principle.

So I'm going to jump on you here because this line is wrong, in this case.

> Renting stuff is economically efficient as long as you don't let the actual owners abuse the relationship to their benefit.

Renting is economically efficient when there is a limited supply of the item, and renting allows the item to be used more often & efficiently then it would with if it were owned.

A simple example: It is much more efficient to have a single lawn-mower that you and your neighbors can rent, rather than having every lawn owner buy a mower that sits unused 99% of the time. It is cheaper to rent than buy so the folks save money on mower expense, less waste is produced because there are fewer mowers, and the item sits idle far less. The downside is the coordination required to use the rented item - it may not always be available, or available when any given person would like it to be.

NONE OF THAT FUCKING MATTERS WHEN THE ITEM IN QUESTION IS HEATED SEATS!!!!

No one is able to use those "rented" heated seats when you're not using them. They will never be taken out of the car. There is literally no way to more efficiently allocate this item when rented rather than bought, unless the entire car is rented (in which case... moot point).

So this case cannot be anything other than abuse by owners. There are no efficiency savings to be had. The item won't be allocated more efficiently, it will just provide additional revenue.

Essentially - the argument that renting is more efficient UTTERLY fails when the item being rented is essentially the on/off switch to a thing built into an item you own. It's ALWAYS going to stay part of the item you own, and there is no way to re-allocate it when you are not renting it.

This is a scummy, scummy move. It should be illegal.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

#85

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

  > If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights.
it seems a natural progression once you've saturated the market and new avenues are closed to further growth; you find a way to add subscriptions and "value adds"...

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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In 15 years, I’ve only been to the dealer for recalls.

How does that affect second-hand value for you (if you intend to ever sell)? Where I live, a lack of documentation from official or authorized dealership servicing is a big red flag when buying a used car.

I find that hard to believe unless it’s an antique or a sports car. It’s certainly a plus when you sell something.

2 Jeep dealers couldn’t tell me what needs to be done on my 35k checkup. It’s right in the manual. They only tried to upsell fluid flushes. The multipoint inspection didn’t even cover the cv joint checks that were mentioned in the manual!

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

#87

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In 15 years, I’ve only been to the dealer for recalls.

How does that affect second-hand value for you (if you intend to ever sell)? Where I live, a lack of documentation from official or authorized dealership servicing is a big red flag when buying a used car.

I’ll drive it until the wheels fall off.

It absolutely doesn’t affect the value of the car to use 3rd party service.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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I'm not sure the average person drives a BMW. I don't know, maybe if you can afford to drive a BMW, you don't mind having to rent something you already bought. I have a feeling that if Honda or Toyota pulled this shit, nobody would buy the models that had it. Renting things like heated seats? It feels bizarre to even have to discuss such a dystopically stupid idea.

It is a silly idea 100%. However, I think BMW knows its customer here. I like to chat up the repair people sometimes. The one conversations that stuck with me for years after bringing in my older BMW. "oh wow have not seen one of these in awhile" (it was 8 years old at that point). "huh, what do you mean?" "oh most of what we deal with in here is lease". A lease is pretty much subscribing to a car service with terrib…

well, terrible is a relative term, maybe they make so much they don't care.

Everyone buying iPhone knows it's not a financially optimal decision

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

#89

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

We've all ready reached that for lots of other parts of the consumer spectrum.

e.g. you used to own your music and movie collection but now you rent access to it via Spotify, Amazon Music, Netflix etc

Even games: it used to be it was YOUR game but now you pay a subscription.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 15 years, I’ve only been to the dealer for recalls.

How does that affect second-hand value for you (if you intend to ever sell)? Where I live, a lack of documentation from official or authorized dealership servicing is a big red flag when buying a used car.

In the US, almost no one goes to their dealership for routine maintenance (i.e. tires, brakes, oil). Many/most will go in for bigger stuff like transmission service, steering, etc. but even then many still opt for their local mechanic's shop. To be honest, I would rather see a car going to reputable local shop than to a dealership, but it's really hard to know what "reputable local shop" means when you're buying a used car that could have been serviced four states away.

We have lots of garbage chains of auto shops (looking at you, JiffyLube...) that leave cars in worse shape than when they came in, which complicates matters immensely. I've had one car for example that has had the front engine cover come off twice because the knuckleheads at the shop didn't reattach it correctly, causing it to drag on the road for miles before we realized what was wrong.

(inb4 someone rolls in with how blockchain is going to "fix" this)

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