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Tell HN: I have the perfect job, why is it not enough?

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Re: Tell HN: I have the perfect job, why is it not enough?

#211
I think about this in a similar way. I think about where this is taking me.

Route A - I'm 50, I am writing code and closing jira tickets, the permanent IC at big/tech corp. Intellectually interesting, I make a mass of money, massive waste of capabilities and social obligations. I'm a highly paid brainteaser solver, and that's what my life's efforts came to.

Route B - I'm 50, I've shifted into EM, PM. I'm making a ton of cash, I'm on the right side of layoffs. It's interesting to bring products to market or pushing for CTO, but I'm hopping from ground breaking product to ground breaking product to.... can it all be ground breaking, really, when tech is the norm? Is that the end of my path?

What joins both routes is a path to significnat financial stability and family life. For the rest of the plebs on the ground watching tech jobs (/s but let's be real, this industry is so relatively privileged), we and our levels.fyi are making stupid, stupid money with a great quality of life that doesn't exist in similar career paths that make similar money.

With that anchor (a lot of money, a lot of family), that's my view of what my way out is, as in what is the final "what's next."

1) Lean into family. I can actually make all those baseball games and cook dinner at home. I have this hybrid model of the 1800's family homestead but with a lot better income. A lot of cool exploration in that direction is there that people go their whole lives foregoing to make the money to pay for that environment for their spouses and kids, but not themselves until retirement. Say what you want about days of yore, but one constant is compelling family models.

2) If you're careful for 10 years, you can buy your freedom to do whatever you want without financial destruction. Pay for your kids' college, buy a storefront and related equipment without a ton of debt, have $ net worth hidden away, and go open a bakery without much financial risk. Or move abroad. Or work on open source because you love tech... I'm not talking about FI/RE, but more about living a $150k/yr lifestyle on a $60k/yr income which is what all the cool jobs seem to pay. Totally achievable with tech income and planning.

3) Lean into a bit of spirituality. Especially working in tech, there isn't much provided room to consider how to live a good life beyond the bounds of strict rationality. Many people don't have the room because they're trying to hustle towards fractions of (1) and (2) in their life because they don't work in tech. IMO, that pure rationality not all that's out there. Humans have had a spiritual component in their life for centuries. Today's dynamic is an aberration, not the norm. Sure, churches did their fare share to drive away churchgoers. But what they provide is a necessary part of human existence that western life, capitalism, and general "freedom from" mindsets aren't helping answer - community, doing something without a profit motive/generosity, volunteering, ethical structure that isn't always "well its relative you see." If Jesus isn't your thing, well its not mine either. But if you look inside and around and feel like maybe something is missing, there is some there-there if you start looking in this direction. Replace your church with the local non-profit maybe.

Honorable mention) There are base human brain-tickling impulses. Competition, love, fitness, family etc. For example, private sector can be rewarding if you're competitive - you can fully embrace that impulse, and keep competing/winning your whole life. I'm skeptical that there isn't some intrinsic value in following what that tickling impulse is for you, but you have to know yourself.

Hope that helps!

Re: Tell HN: I have the perfect job, why is it not enough?

#213
36, I had this, I was running a design team of a successful startup who had just raised anound 2 million.

I quit.

I felt unfulfilled with the excitement and possiblity, because life for me lacked meaning. I studied how to be a yoga teacher, focussed on my body and not my mind. I changed my diet to be a lot more veg and I moved out of London.

I have less money, less power, but feel happier. I just worked out that the grind wasn't for me and I enjoyed doing different simple things. I now work as a consultant 6 months of the year and take 6 months off.

Do what feels right for you. Everything feels the way it does for a reason.

Re: Tell HN: I have the perfect job, why is it not enough?

#214
36, I had this, I was running a design team of a successful startup who had just raised around 2 million.

I quit.

I felt unfulfilled with the excitement and possibility, because life for me lacked meaning. I studied how to be a yoga teacher, focussed on my body and not my mind. I changed my diet to be a lot more veg and I moved out of London.

I have less money, less power, but feel happier. I just worked out that the grind wasn't for me and I enjoyed doing different simple things. I now work as a consultant 6 months of the year and take 6 months off.

Do what feels right for you. Everything feels the way it does for a reason.

Re: Tell HN: I have the perfect job, why is it not enough?

#215
I don't think it's the hedonic treadmill so much as it is that you do not feel fulfilled in your career. If you were fulfilled, you would have said so in the text above, unprompted.

What are your actual life goals? Do they go beyond "have a happy family and die as late as possible"? If so, you may not be meeting your spiritual quota, though your physical (assets), mental (interesting problems), and emotional (healthy family and friend relationships) cups runneth over. Perhaps you could find some time to volunteer somewhere that you feel you can make an impact.

Re: Tell HN: I have the perfect job, why is it not enough?

#216
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Some advice from someone a bit further down the career path: * If you want to try something, try it! Save up some runway, do your own thing. Try some other projects right now, don't wait. (You won't be able to devote full time effort to them, but can still make progress.) You may find that what you dream about isn't all that, or maybe it is. Either way you can take steps forward. * I learned to be happy with my life…

> Try some other projects right now, don't wait. YES. Not "this weekend" or "when things open up a bit," do it now . The river won't part for the stone voluntarily, you need to jam it in the water … Also, if you can: merge bullet 1 & 3. Try something new with your kids. Learning and exploring together is an amazing experience.

+1 to this. Leverage whatever hobby/passion you are planning to do and use it as a bonding and teaching/learning experience with your children. They will forever value it.

If you want a laundry list of things to start getting into:

- Becoming handy, teach your kids as you do it so they have that life skill. Being considered handy simply is a mindset - do you have the confidence to figure something out via some google searching etc....

- Martial arts - I took Ju-jitsu for 4-5 years and I can tell you martial arts appeals to software engineers - its highly technical which engages your brain, yet very physical which is an area we swe's hardly ever get to use.

- strength training - will increase your energy - physique - and some other passive benefits for your relationship - also something you can get into with your kids and help teach them healthy habits.

- cooking - save money and eat some tasty food - a good cookbook I swear by is America's Test Kitchen Cookbook - they cook things 20 different ways and explain why they settled on a particular approach - along with good explanations of cooking techniques

Re: Tell HN: I have the perfect job, why is it not enough?

#217

The people telling you to try stuff NOW, rather than later: 100%. Do not think "when I'm retired, I'll have time for this." I'd always felt bad that I didn't practice and become a great guitar player in my teens and play in bands, like the guys I admired (and let's not even talk about the famous rock stars). So around age 40 I started singing, and then I took piano lessons. I got to be in choruses in some operas and…

Bill Withers[1] is my hero for this. He enlisted in the Navy at 17 and while in the Navy found an interest in music. Left the navy at 27 and (while working a day job) recorded his first song at 29, with his first hit at 31 (The Grammy winning Ain't no Sunshine ). At 45 he retired, citing creative differences with his label as the reason. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Withers

Never knew that about him.

Re: Tell HN: I have the perfect job, why is it not enough?

#219

> But somehow, it isn't. It's never enough. It is probably human to always want more. The passionate college runner dreams of making the Olympic team -- just to be on the team would be enough. The first-time Olympian dreams of standing on the podium -- bronze would be enough. The bronze medalist is upset he lost to silver by .1 sec. The silver medalist rages that he came so close -- so close! to having it all. The go…

What a sad life if you spend it not satisfied with what you have! Personally I am personally very satisfied with my life (I am 37yo) and I absolutely want no more… I have a nice job (pays well enough and is not boring most of the time and allow me enough free time), I have a wonderful marriage (happily together for 20 years), I have good friends and I live in a nice place (southern France on the riviera). I don’t need more money (my Toyota brings me around as well as a Porsche), I don’t need more responsibility nor challenges in my job (it would eat away my free time for family friends and hobbies)… furthermore my self worth is not tied to my job. My advice is to be content with what you have because because wanting more will only lead to unhappiness… ask why do you want more? What is the need you are trying to fulfill? Find out and work on that!

Re: Tell HN: I have the perfect job, why is it not enough?

#220

You are describing the hedonic treadmill. Essentially, you become used to your surroundings, and while they are objectively great, from the perspective of inside your own head, this is now normal and you / your monkey mind wants more. There have been a lot of post floating around the internet with various solutions, the most popular being Stoicism > Positive Psychology / Happiness research > Buddhism / Meditation. I'…

Correct. It works in reverse too. Anecdote: As I deployed to Afghanistan from my duty station on Okinawa things got progressively shitty. Okinawa -> Manas: Living conditions suck but they have a decent chow hall. Manas -> Camp Leatherneck: Crappy living, crappy chow. Camp Leatherneck -> FOB: wow this sucks. FOB -> combat outpost: holy shit this sucks! How am I gonna do 7 months of this?! I did. Got used to it. Was ac…

> Don't derive purpose from chasing more because you'll always adjust to whatever you attain.

I'd rephrase this, or at least maybe this is what the intent was: it's not that bad to derive purpose from chasing more but it's probably bad to derive purpose from attaining. There's nothing wrong with being ambitious as long as the journey is how you derive purpose.

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