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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by lupire »

donatj wrote: post #227
NikolaNovak wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you on "replace it with any religion" but I don't find it bigotry necessarily - I am averse to any and all religious influence on anything, and I'm happy to see it brought up to attention and awareness everywhere. As to the frequent Venn diagram overlap of locally predominant religion with corresponding country / nationality / ethnicity / etc, while that frequently the case, I agree we should focus on th…

> think twice before giving them money because you'd be supporting the late George Bush Sr's 2nd-favorite cult. > They also own The Washington Times and United Press International (UPI). > And True World Foods, which runs a major portion of the sushi trade in the US. > Numerous other innocent-sounding organizations in many, many sports, interest groups, and industries. Like if someone wrote any of that about Jews, th…

Of course. No one here is denying being an anti-Moonite.

Just like when people here are anti-Google or anti-Apple, they aren't bigots.

Moonies, Google, and Apple, and the Mormon Church and Catholic Church, and unlike Judaism, are specific business organizations with observable behaviors, not a personal belief and lifestyle.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by giantg2 »

andrew_ wrote: post #169
giantg2 wrote: post #104

"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the “religious group” that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation." Because they aren't stupid. When you name names and provide ample details you have given the killer things that encourage others - infamy, a platform to spread their message, etc. In the US, w…

My guess as to why you're not getting replies because the content of your comment is highly polarizing, contains assertions as absolutes rather than points of debate, and would likely result in camp vs. camp which will play out ad infinitum.

I can see that the topic is generally polarizing and that my first sentence is assuming and could be better. I do ask a question of why we don't have a law (or really just have people sue over the coverage contributing to the act). The part about knowing that sensationalized and detailed reports contributes is a pretty solid fact (theory, analysis, and anecdotal admissions from copycats).

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Post by kevinmchugh »

netfortius wrote: post #181
shp0ngle wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Epoch Times is owned by Falun Gong. (They are apocalyptic/UFO/meditation cult, they have been banned in China and, if you believe their claims, organ harvested. I don’t know how much to believe those claims, but China does keep a lot of things with organs weirdly secret. FG are present at every anti-Chinese protest. They also do the Chinese ballet which name I forgot now…. ah yeah Shen Yun) I don’t know any other…

Attended one of the shows in France, a few months ago. They politicized it right from the beginning, by having some bozos with English language fluency critize the Chinese government (not that they don't deserve it, but the way it was done sounded like far right American rhetoric). The show itself was vomit inducing, so I left after the first half an hour. As I was waiting outside for someone to exit, at the formal i…

The tagline on their flyers used to be "5000 years of culture reborn"

And I guess they rethought the subtlety because now it's "China before communism"

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Post by pohl »

ConstantVigil wrote: post #219
xbar wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope no one misses the implied /s regarding CSM. The Christian Science Monitor is a model of great reporting in a time when few models exist. I am saddened when someone downplays a CSM report as biased because the listener assumes some form of Christian fundamentalism.

So, I'm not alone in wondering if they should be treated like bible thumpers, or not. Good to know. Also good to know they aren't bible thumpers, and just happen to be 'Christians' monitoring science, as per the name implies.

Like kevinmchugh pointed out, imagine parentheses to group "(Christian Science) Monitor". Christian Science is a set of beliefs that the "First Church of Christ, Scientist" adhere to.

Stuff like the belief that disease is a mental error rather than physical disorder, and that the sick should be treated not by medicine but by a form of prayer that seeks to correct the beliefs responsible for the illusion of ill health.

Sadly, this makes the appearance of the word "Science" even more confusing to the casual observer.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by giantg2 »

15155 wrote: post #176
giantg2 wrote: post #104

"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the “religious group” that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation." Because they aren't stupid. When you name names and provide ample details you have given the killer things that encourage others - infamy, a platform to spread their message, etc. In the US, w…

Pen the statue for us, what would one look like that would stop this type of release of names?

If you read the study, there is a link to the FBI guidelines. Essentially, don't name the shooter. It would also be beneficial not to linger on one negative event for a week or more, but that's not as easy to limit. Ideally we would want journalists and networks to practice responsibility and leave out the name voluntarily, but it seems the drive for profit makes it necessary to step in with a legal solution.

https://www.dontnamethem.org/

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by Apocryphon »

ConstantVigil wrote: post #219
xbar wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope no one misses the implied /s regarding CSM. The Christian Science Monitor is a model of great reporting in a time when few models exist. I am saddened when someone downplays a CSM report as biased because the listener assumes some form of Christian fundamentalism.

So, I'm not alone in wondering if they should be treated like bible thumpers, or not. Good to know. Also good to know they aren't bible thumpers, and just happen to be 'Christians' monitoring science, as per the name implies.

Uh, no. Christian Science, like the Mormons or the Jehovah's Witnesses, are yet another American-made Christian sect founded in the 19th century by a charismatic leader:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Baker_Eddy

Val Kilmer is even a member! They definitely have a quieter, less evangelical profile than those other sects, but they do appear in the background of American cultural life, with Christian Science Reading Rooms in many cities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science_Reading_Room

That said, despite them being a new religious movement and having very suspect beliefs about medicine, this thread isn't the first time I've heard that their newspaper, the Christian Science Monitor does very good journalism, outside of the health news reporting.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by jomjomv »

dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

Not on G7 of course but you should check Greece.

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cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by [deleted] »

giantg2 wrote: post #104

"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the “religious group” that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation." Because they aren't stupid. When you name names and provide ample details you have given the killer things that encourage others - infamy, a platform to spread their message, etc. In the US, w…

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by giantg2 »

yucky wrote: post #204
giantg2 wrote: post #104

"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the “religious group” that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation." Because they aren't stupid. When you name names and provide ample details you have given the killer things that encourage others - infamy, a platform to spread their message, etc. In the US, w…

>After all, we know that this will save lives. There are lots of things that we know will save lives. Banning driving of all non-emergency vehicles. Banning vices and handing out 50 year prison sentences for any violation. Banning skydiving. Banning soda. We can make a very long list of things we can do to save lives. But there is a price to pay, and that price isn't worth it. Banning free speech and the free flow of…

I agree that there are many things that we could do, and that there are costs associated with them.

"Banning free speech and the free flow of information is not a price worth paying."

I generally agree with this, but what harm is done by banning the media from using the name of a criminal likely to be notorious (mass murder, assassination, etc)?

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