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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by xbar » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:37 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #182

This is a strange article with an odd angle. They guy initially wanted to avenge the family’s misfortune by targeting someone high up in the church which he blamed for unscrupulously taking their money, when they proved too difficult (inaccessible) he turned his attention to mr Abe who was associated with the church and was out campaigning making for an easy target. The article starts with an arc where a friendship t…

This is repeatedly reported news, not one journalist.

According to Japanese police, the shooter claimed Abe's religious group association was the motive. At least two other papers have linked that group to the Family Federation (formerly Unification Church) and the Family Federation issued a PR newswire about the shooting yesterday after refusing to comment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/09/shinzo-abe-bod...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-tetsuya-yamaga...

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2022-07-10/mot...

Here is the Church's statement:

https://www.djournal.com/unification-church-statement-on-the...

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by thedailymail » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:37 PM UTC

edvards wrote: post #121

cuteboy19 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a requirement for every Asian cult to own a few American newspapers? I know of two others

Can you tell about the two others?

I'm guessing the other one, besides Falun Gong and the Unification Church, is Olivet Church, a Korean messianic sect that bought Newsweek.

https://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/03/newsweek-ibt-olive...

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by yucky » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:38 PM UTC

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #155

pmoriarty wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knowledge and transparency is oxygen to a democracy. Without an informed populace you can not have an effective democracy.

> Knowledge and transparency is oxygen to a democracy Democracy can wait a week or two when a man is murdered that way Freedom means also that you have to earn it, if people can't wait to speculate online about things that are still being investigated, they probably don't deserve it. --- What if they waited a bit more before putting Lee Harvey Oswald on the front page of every newspaper? Maybe he would still be alive…

>Freedom means also that you have to earn it

Freedom isn't earned, authority is. Freedom is the default nature of man. Those in power who seek to limit freedom, must earn that right. And it can be quickly withdrawn.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by ep103 » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:39 PM UTC

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #189

dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

It's a disturbing trend and indicative of failing health / vibrancy of political systems. Same with running Hilary Clinton. Half of the entire point of the democratic turn in western states after the enlightenment and the French revolution was to attempt take power away from powerful families and abolish heritable power. I found it very alarming when Trudeau Jr was plucked out of relative obscurity and turned into a…

You can add Trump to that list as well, though it isn't a genetic inheritance. Chomsky's Requiem for the American Dream lays out in detail how intertwined the Trump family has been in conservative national politics for ages

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by concordDance » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:39 PM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #104

"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the “religious group” that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation." Because they aren't stupid. When you name names and provide ample details you have given the killer things that encourage others - infamy, a platform to spread their message, etc. In the US, w…

Throwing out a possible issue with this idea: it lets political parties assassinate rival politicians without losing popularity (in the case where the link isn't strong enough for a conviction but IS strong enough to say the killing was done by that party).

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by istanbul7 » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:39 PM UTC

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:42 PM UTC

shp0ngle wrote: post #126

edvards wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you tell about the two others?

The Epoch Times is owned by Falun Gong. (They are apocalyptic/UFO/meditation cult, they have been banned in China and, if you believe their claims, organ harvested. I don’t know how much to believe those claims, but China does keep a lot of things with organs weirdly secret. FG are present at every anti-Chinese protest. They also do the Chinese ballet which name I forgot now…. ah yeah Shen Yun) I don’t know any other…

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by throwaquestion5 » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:43 PM UTC

jmcgough wrote: post #188

cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

They aren't nearly as influential as you might think, especially in modern times. Maybe they were during the cold war or when they protested in support of Nixon. Their media reach is pretty limited, The Washington Times has a small number of readers. Edit: to the comment about $2B: that's almost mostly belonging to the founder who takes his money from followers. $2B is 130k a person when we're talking about 15,000 fo…

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by baybal2 » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:44 PM UTC

cuteboy19 wrote: post #109

cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

Is it a requirement for every Asian cult to own a few American newspapers? I know of two others

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by savanaly » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 1:45 PM UTC

dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

It's important to keep in mind that this might be less sinister than it first appears (or more...there's that interpretation too). The "Great families" idea reaches beyond politics into science and art as well: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/secrets-of-the-great-f....