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The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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What is this Shingetsu News Agency? They don't have an English Wikipedia page and searching for them turns up only their own content. Are they affiliated with communism? North Korea? American progressive movements? None of the above? Do we know that this isn't two cults bickering?

In any case, the article was very light on citations for the many accusations thrown.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

You get automatic name recognition by being the child of a former leader, and that applies even if the former leader was unpopular. The hardest thing in national politics is probably becoming, essentially, known in the first place, so they start with a colossal advantage.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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> That’s because the ethnicity of a criminal is usually not a relevant detail. That’s a big assumption rooted in a moral framework rather than in objective science.

In a news report about an individual crime?

Lets say a hate crime was committed against Jews. Do you assume it was a Nazi, or an Islamist? This pops up all the time in Europe, usually it is Islamists but sometimes it is Nazis, and that makes a huge difference when interpreting what the crime means.

Or for this case, lets say the perpetrator was of Chinese origin instead of Japanese. Do you think that wouldn't be relevant at all?

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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I don't completely buy the "religious group" reason given by the assassin. It might just be a convenient cover story for any "State Actors" behind the assassination. Shinzo Abe had been a real thorn in the side of China and North Korea by pushing a hard-line approach towards them. He had tremendous worldwide political/economic clout and was instrumental in establishing the "Pacific Quad" as a real challenge to China…

How would China or North Korea convince a Japanese soldier to openly kill his leader and face death penalty? There is very little social exchange between these countries, extremely few foreigners speaks Japanese, I just don't see how they could indoctrinate him to such a degree that he would give up his own life for that cause. Extremely few people give up their life for a cause even when they grew up in that society…

Well, this is my fear of TikTok. We've seen how Facebook and Twitter (and certsin news media) polarized/brainwashed Americans in convincing Obama is Muslim and not born in the US through crude algorithms to increase clicks.

Imagine TikTok, who isn't just driven by ad revenue but the need to keep the Chinese government happy.

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This is the same in every country, including the US where entire agencies will just stop talking to you if you piss them off (especially police departments.) It's one of the ways we get all this propaganda even though we have a nominally "free" press.

"This is the same in every country, including the US where entire agencies will just stop talking to you if you piss them off" They only stop talking to you through official channels. There will always be leakers, disgruntled employees and others willing to talk to you anonymously or unofficially. Not to mention that you can talk to people and ask questions without announcing that you're a reporter. This used to be c…

It is not that frequent and it is difficult/expensive to verify those stories. Plus, anonymous/unofficial source is not much. To large extend, it amounts to gossip and a lot of it is basically unuseable.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the “religious group” that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation." Because they aren't stupid. When you name names and provide ample details you have given the killer things that encourage others - infamy, a platform to spread their message, etc. In the US, w…

Pen the statue for us, what would one look like that would stop this type of release of names?

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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In a news report about an individual crime?

Lets say a hate crime was committed against Jews. Do you assume it was a Nazi, or an Islamist? This pops up all the time in Europe, usually it is Islamists but sometimes it is Nazis, and that makes a huge difference when interpreting what the crime means. Or for this case, lets say the perpetrator was of Chinese origin instead of Japanese. Do you think that wouldn't be relevant at all?

If the person was Chinese yes that would be an important consideration wrt the motive

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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I don't completely buy the "religious group" reason given by the assassin. It might just be a convenient cover story for any "State Actors" behind the assassination. Shinzo Abe had been a real thorn in the side of China and North Korea by pushing a hard-line approach towards them. He had tremendous worldwide political/economic clout and was instrumental in establishing the "Pacific Quad" as a real challenge to China…

How would China or North Korea convince a Japanese soldier to openly kill his leader and face death penalty? There is very little social exchange between these countries, extremely few foreigners speaks Japanese, I just don't see how they could indoctrinate him to such a degree that he would give up his own life for that cause. Extremely few people give up their life for a cause even when they grew up in that society…

I agree with your view. The fact that the killer went through the stress of making homemade guns, which likely involved lots of hiccups, shows he had a very deep grudge for his target, and I see being (allegedly, can't confirm yet) raised in a religious cult that bankrupted your mum as an ideal catalyst for such a grudge.

And if recent years have taught me a lesson, it's that real life is often stranger than friction. What you think can only be achieved by state-level, mafia-like collaboration ends up being the work of random individuals (e.g., that Bitfinex hack where two funny characters were caught with $4.5bn of stolen bitcoin).

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Why aren't the major Japanese media outlets covering this angle before the polls close in Japan's upper house elections (today)?

It’s absolutely insane to me that people are criticizing the Japanese media over this. Why should we be amplifying a murder’s message? Don’t reward a man for shooting someone in the back. After every mass shooting in the US I see widespread criticism of the media for sensationalism and turning mass murders into stars. Yet when another country follows this very advice, they’re criticized for a lack of free speech?

I would never criticize the media for indicating who did the killing, the weapon and how it was obtained, or the "mind set" (to the degree that is possible) of the killer. All of these things inform the populace. (And besides, does anyone think you could successfully suppress those?)

But of course I am not the "widespread criticism" you refer to.

It would be useful to point to the actual hypocrisy of a specific source/person — where this source/person was critical of the U.S. media amplifying a murderer's message but critical of Japan's refusal to do so.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Even vile doesn't quite cover the scale of the horror, especially Unit 731 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Manchukuo

I read the Unit 731 Wikipedia page recently and almost wished I hadn’t. Im surprised I’d never heard about it and neither had any of my friends. Not that it’s a competition, but some of the atrocities I read about on that page were worse than any other World War atrocity I know and it seems like it’s just been swept under the rug.

It’s pretty well known that the Japanese Empire did some of the worst atrocities of the Second World War. Their number of victims is roughly in line with that of the Nazi. I will hasard that the USA doesn’t like to talk about Unit 731 because they gave immunity to the researchers in exchange for the results of their research on chemical weapons in an operation mirroring Paper Clip for rockets.
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