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The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by germanier »

guerrilla wrote: post #49
thematrixturtle wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs). Basically, if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news. https://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/an-impregnable-fortress...

This is the same in every country, including the US where entire agencies will just stop talking to you if you piss them off (especially police departments.) It's one of the ways we get all this propaganda even though we have a nominally "free" press.

Even they often try to cross the line, all German public agencies including police are required (by law in the states, by constitution for the federal level) to answer journalists' questions.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by makeitdouble »

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #9
tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

Why aren't the major Japanese media outlets covering this angle before the polls close in Japan's upper house elections (today)?

It’s linked to too many hot button issues, and would have way more impact than just anger against a single cult.

If it was in the US context I would compare it to an alternative muslim cult founded in China and supporting the Palestinian regime. If someone shooting a US politician was found vaguely linked to that cult, it would be wiser to wait for a strong connection with the crime instead of just throwing around the information and have everyone go wild with the implications they want.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by AzzieElbab »

Am I naive to believe that an article with such title would at least looked into assassins claims to begin with? Like how much was donated for starters, history of mental illnesses, gambling, and so on. Instead we start with Nixon and Kissinger

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by zarathustreal »

swarnie wrote: post #103
pppq wrote: post #70

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Did you roll a new account just to justify murder?

Don't let fear control you. You're (presumably) not part of a cult and (presumably) have no intention of becoming part of one. (Presumably) none of your social groups are on the verge of being labelled one by the general public.

Whether or not a given killing is morally wrong is undecidable. Obviously, sometimes killing one person saves many people.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by Caboose8685 »

headsoup wrote: post #123
wronglyprepaid wrote: post #99

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How is Biden historical already? 'actual good,' is that like the no true Scotsman of good?

It almost feels like that account is trying to be another Titania McGrath [0].

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titania_McGrath

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by akg_67 »

CodeArtisan wrote: post #72
achow wrote: post #55

TL;DR Shinzo Abe was associated with a religious group 'Church of Unification'... that motivated Tetsuya Yamagami to target and kill Shinzo Abe. Yamagami told investigators that he blamed a “religious group” (i.e. the Unification Church) for inducing his mother to donate so much money that it bankrupted the family. He initially prepared to kill a church leader, but gave up after deciding it was too difficult. Yamagam…

Abe was not supposed to be here, his speech was planned to happen in another city but instead it was decided to go to Nara the evening before. The killer couldn't have planned to kill Abe.

According to NHK TV News, shooter went to Okayama the day before where Abe made campaign speech. But as the speech was at a auditorium and Abe didn’t mingle with crowd after speech and left right away, shooter didn’t have the chance. Shooter found out online that evening about Abe’s visit to Nara.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by trasz »

krisoft wrote: post #91
sacrosancty wrote: post #85

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The claim was that there are some secrets, not all secrets which is the claim you countered.

Ok. There are no secrets “you cannot publish” in the USA. Prove it otherwise. Either by citing law, or even better by citing precedent.

Ever heard of Assange?

(Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret among others; there is a ton of those.)

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by tkgally »

dmurray wrote: post #127
tkgally wrote: post #42

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There is no licensing of the print or online media in Japan. However, there are a number of factors that effectively limit the freedom of many media outlets. The kisha clubs [1], which control media access to government officials and the police, are restricted to reporters from major media organizations. The tabloid press frequently complains about those restrictions and use those restrictions as justification for th…

> An amusing one that I remember is when a magazine was not allowed to include the term shōgi daoshi—literally, “falling over like shogi pieces” An amusing one on multiple levels. Standard shogi pieces don't fall over! They're not miniature statues like in Western chess, but flat reversible tiles [0]. It's like it was written by a Western journalist who needed to translate his idiom into Japanese. [0] https://upload.…

I don’t have any shogi pieces handy—I’m more of a lapsed go player myself—but can’t they be stood on their ends like dominos? Image searches for shōgi daoshi in Japanese yield a lot of pictures like this:

https://www.photo-ac.com/main/search?q=将棋倒し&srt=dlrank&qt=&p...

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