Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin • Hacker News Board

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by AlchemistCamp » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 2:13 AM UTC

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I can’t relate at all to that sentiment. California has got to be one of the most bloated and wasteful state governments in the entire US. High taxes and nothing to show for it. The entrenched far left seems bent on destroying the middle class, driving out business, regulating everything to death and displacing merit as a selection factor. Whatever glory Cali has— tech, entertainment, farming, weather, natural beauty…

California's government is center-right. There is no far left party in US politics. That's why you don't have affordable higher education or healthcare, why your infrastructure is decaying, why you don't have nice public transit, etc. It's also why your taxes are so high with nothing to show for them. Turns out austerity is expensive for most people. Canada and Mexico have cheap insulin because their governments are…

Compared to the most populous countries, China and India, would you put the US and California to the left or the right? How about compared to other major world powers like Japan?

It seems to me that California does both more economic redistribution via higher taxes and is more open in terms of accepting a wide variety of foreign immigrants, cultures and religions.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by pyuser583 » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 3:05 AM UTC

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Don’t forget about massive defense spending, and middle class relocations to California.

What middle class is moving to California?

This was a really big thing in the 1950s and 60s.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by truffdog » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:36 AM UTC

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Newsom is quite close to that dynastic wealth, too- https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-pol-ca-gavin-newsom-san-...

He's not close, he is .

So, incredibly, unbelievably close.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by john_the_writer » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 9:24 AM UTC

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California schools system is not good.

Some of the best public elementary, middle/junior, and high schools in the country are in California. Some of the worst are as well. California as a whole has a pretty good public school system. There are certainly issues. But many of them are really just debatable trade offs. For example, the whole San Francisco ed board recall. The main issue (aside from the renaming, which really was a side show to the main event)…

What the hell do you mean not track students based on ability? How else could you track them? It's not unfair really. If you let the smart fall to the level of the average, you end up with board and angry smart kids. They will not pull up the middle, they'll check out. The end results will be outsourcing. Based on the skilled worker shortage in Cali, I'd say bringing up the bottom isn't doing much for the top.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by programmer_dude » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 2:29 PM UTC

86J8oyZv wrote: post #207

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>don't have experience with culture outside of their own and their local/national mainstream news. Isn't this true of most Americans democrat or otherwise.

For most Americans, exposure to outside cultures will happen much more through reading about them or interacting with, say, foreign exchange students and foreign cultural social groups, than visiting the places. Americans who grow up with the money to travel abroad a lot often come from general wealth, which also lets them afford to spend more time doing things like grad school. This affects the liberal causes well-t…

We had a subject called "Social Studies" in school which introduced us to other cultures of the world. I thought every country had something similar.

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Post by feet » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

programmer_dude wrote: post #225

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For most Americans, exposure to outside cultures will happen much more through reading about them or interacting with, say, foreign exchange students and foreign cultural social groups, than visiting the places. Americans who grow up with the money to travel abroad a lot often come from general wealth, which also lets them afford to spend more time doing things like grad school. This affects the liberal causes well-t…

We had a subject called "Social Studies" in school which introduced us to other cultures of the world. I thought every country had something similar.

This is just the opinion of some fool on the internet, but I personally think that interacting with people from other cultures is far more important than just reading about them. Not saying I disagree with you, I definitely had social studies in school in the US but that didn't impact me nearly as much as interacting with other fellow fools on the internet. We can learn a lot more about each others perspectives and cultures by interacting.

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Post by refurb » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 6:36 PM UTC

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That doesn't seem to answer the question? It lists a bunch of biosimilar insulin analogues but doesn't say why California wouldn't buy them instead of manufacturing their own molecule.

California is not going to manufacture their own molecule, they are going to contract with someone, seems likely to be CivicaRx.

Sure, but why? Why manufacturer another biosimilar, with all the costs and regulatory requirements for manufacturing a new drug (the FDA regards biosimilars as "new drugs")?

They could just have someone who is currently manufacturing the drug sell them at a discount (CA has immense buying power)? If it's not cheap enough, then further subsidize the cost.

Same outcome, less capital needed.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Post by programmer_dude » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 7:16 PM UTC

feet wrote: post #226

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We had a subject called "Social Studies" in school which introduced us to other cultures of the world. I thought every country had something similar.

This is just the opinion of some fool on the internet, but I personally think that interacting with people from other cultures is far more important than just reading about them. Not saying I disagree with you, I definitely had social studies in school in the US but that didn't impact me nearly as much as interacting with other fellow fools on the internet. We can learn a lot more about each others perspectives and c…

Agreed. Though the things I learnt in social studies like history, geography, and civics helped me in finding a common ground with people of other cultures. Given my introverted nature I imagine I would have had a much harder time if I did not have this foundation.

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Post by david38 » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 7:34 PM UTC

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Only $50 million for something that seems so socially important? Sounds like an easy win to me.

I think a more relevant take is "how are they going to accomplish this with only $50 million? California can't even build high speed rail with a budget in 10s of billions of dollars and more than a decade of time.

Spoken like someone who is either a parroting shill or actually doesn’t understand the first thing about comparing two projects.

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Post by baskethead » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 11:20 PM UTC

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These talking points are all lies, especially Prop 13. Look at the home prices and the home sales, all of which are getting sold at ridiculously high prices. The turnover is huge across the state. Demand for housing is still strong despite the interest rates, despite your Prop 13 BS. What Prop 13 does is stop retired families from being forced to move out. The retired families in my neighborhood would have to pay $40…

Without Prop 13, homeowners would support the construction of multifamily housing in their communities, and that would keep property taxes low for everybody (not just dynastic families) and home prices affordable. Just like things were before Prop 13.

NIMBYs would all of a sudden want more housing to be built? 100% delusional.

Nothing would change except homeowners would get crushed by property taxes and especially given the horrific income inequality in California, all the middle and lower income families would get destroyed.

Thank God for Prop 13, it's the last vestige of income equality for Californians.