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Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Doesn’t make a lot of sense. Generic insulin’s are already being made. Why not just buy those?

Because pharmaceutical research is hitting a wall in many areas, and companies are “catching and killing” generic manufacturers specifically to extract more revenue from long invented products.

Government should absolutely play in this space. Hell, one of the primary anti-fungal creams (NYStatin) was developed by a female researcher and state employee in the 1960s.

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it's obvious that many medical supplies have an inelastic demand so are easily manipulated. When the market fails governments need to step in.

Healthcare is the most heavily regulated industry in the US. Many of those regulations were written specifically to minimize or eliminate the influence of market forces. You can't reasonably say the market has failed when it has been so tightly constrained by regulation.

Regulation that was lobbied into reality by… who?

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interesting contrast vs the us congress, which is trying a price cap

as with every build-vs-buy problem, you don't know if you'll actually be able to do it until you do it. I'm wondering what a state government has ever done that is as complex as manufacturing a medicine -- maybe road building / big water projects?

if they succeed it would be a new chapter in state capacity + really exciting, especially if they are transparent about accounting and show that they're not warping the market

I think biohacker group open insulin https://openinsulin.org/ was founded in oakland -- they're working on lispro, the fast-acting kind in humalog

the humalog plant in puerto rico cost 200-500 million dollars in the early 2000s [1]. there are 3+ million californians w/ diabetes (per diabetes.org), and it costs north of $5k per year per person, so that's like 15 billion. you don't have to dent that # much to get ROI on this.

1. https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/projects/eli_lilly...

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Sometimes I feel like this is the endgame where the US overall kind of declines but California starts managing itself better and operates almost like an independent country. Probably wishful thinking but would be great.

Yeah if California gets it shit together and de facto secedes, that would be really good.

And I say that as someone who left California for the northeast.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Healthcare is the most heavily regulated industry in the US. Many of those regulations were written specifically to minimize or eliminate the influence of market forces. You can't reasonably say the market has failed when it has been so tightly constrained by regulation.

How is healthcare in the countries with very little health care regulations?

Cheap!

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How hard would it be to found an insulin startup? This seems like the kind of problem designed to be intractable, the "busy work" of bureaucratic private health care systems.

I'm told Marc Cuban is failing right now, but I don't think that dude ever did anything difficult.

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Sometimes I feel like this is the endgame where the US overall kind of declines but California starts managing itself better and operates almost like an independent country. Probably wishful thinking but would be great.

I can’t relate at all to that sentiment. California has got to be one of the most bloated and wasteful state governments in the entire US. High taxes and nothing to show for it. The entrenched far left seems bent on destroying the middle class, driving out business, regulating everything to death and displacing merit as a selection factor.

Whatever glory Cali has— tech, entertainment, farming, weather, natural beauty— is in spite of govt rather than because of it.

Re: Governor Newsom announces California will make its own insulin

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Sometimes I feel like this is the endgame where the US overall kind of declines but California starts managing itself better and operates almost like an independent country. Probably wishful thinking but would be great.

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