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Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by gnicholas »

harles wrote: post #162
ramphastidae wrote: post #151

Society loves to make fun of those who choose organic produce, but avoiding glysophate is the main reason I do so, and it works: > Organic diet intervention significantly reduces urinary glyphosate levels in U.S. children and adults > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512...

I think organic is great. I just wish we didn’t put non-GMO in the same bucket. Give me GMO foods without pesticides.

Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides? There are other ways to use GMO to make more productive crops, but my understanding was that one of the big reasons is that you can make crops that ignore pesticides that wipe out existing pests.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by krolden »

nemo44x wrote: post #51
microSnowball wrote: post #21

Not knowing anything about glyphosate, I went to the article before reading the comments. I’ll just put this here because it was clear the researchers wanted to be sure people see it. From the first paragraph of the article—> > In 2015, the International Agency for Research on Cancer determined that glyphosate is a “probable human carcinogen” (IARC, 2015). However, the European Food Safety Authority and the Joint Foo…

This article a carefully crafted piece of propaganda disguising itself as journalism. This is part (banning herbicides and pesticides) of the green movement. Of course, they forget why we use them in the first place.

"We" use them in the first place because agribusiness wants to grow as much crops as cheaply as possible and consequences be damned as long as it cuts down on their expenses.

Monsanto also pushed the sterile lawn image in american culture. Cover your lawn in our herbicides and fertilizers and you can be a proud american lawn mower. Who cares if that means carcinogenic runoff into your lakes and rivers.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

gnicholas wrote: post #171
harles wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think organic is great. I just wish we didn’t put non-GMO in the same bucket. Give me GMO foods without pesticides.

Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides? There are other ways to use GMO to make more productive crops, but my understanding was that one of the big reasons is that you can make crops that ignore pesticides that wipe out existing pests.

> Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides?

and diseases and parasites and weather etc etc

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by xboxnolifes »

gnicholas wrote: post #171
harles wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think organic is great. I just wish we didn’t put non-GMO in the same bucket. Give me GMO foods without pesticides.

Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides? There are other ways to use GMO to make more productive crops, but my understanding was that one of the big reasons is that you can make crops that ignore pesticides that wipe out existing pests.

I'm not sure the relevance of this fact to the GP's request?

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by algoatecorn »

gnicholas wrote: post #171
harles wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think organic is great. I just wish we didn’t put non-GMO in the same bucket. Give me GMO foods without pesticides.

Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides? There are other ways to use GMO to make more productive crops, but my understanding was that one of the big reasons is that you can make crops that ignore pesticides that wipe out existing pests.

You're right, but I think what they are saying is that they would like to see new GMO crops developed for consumer benefit instead of herbicide resistance.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

macondo wrote: post #166
nemo44x wrote: post #49

This is bad journalism. Glyphosate is not “linked” to cancer. Sone groups think it is “probably” a carcinogen but most every governing body around the world says it is not as there’s no proof of the link at all. This is probably not journalism but rather propaganda designed to rally public support around glyphosate bans which we have seen in Germany and now the Netherlands. Farmers can still use it of course, but the…

This is bad thinking. Glyphosate has seen billions of USD in settlements and is tied to decreased liver function. "Most every governing body says..." what is this poor appeal to authority? Like the other commenter says, even if it is not directly effecting on humans, if it affects our gut flora then it ends up affecting. The reductionist approach does not work much in biology, one has to consider the whole system.

> Glyphosate has seen billions of USD in settlements

In my country some scientists have been found guilty of "not predicting an earthquake"[1], so I would be careful to believe to what a court can prove or disprove and the scientific value of their decisions...

[1] https://blog.ucsusa.org/michael-halpern/italian-scientists-j....

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by [deleted] »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #174
gnicholas wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't part of the benefit of GMO foods that you can make them tolerant to various pesticides? There are other ways to use GMO to make more productive crops, but my understanding was that one of the big reasons is that you can make crops that ignore pesticides that wipe out existing pests.

I'm not sure the relevance of this fact to the GP's request?

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Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by Supermancho »

Retric wrote: post #14
bergenty wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lawns are less important. We would have no agricultural output if we didn’t weed.

Farming existed before weed killing. It's extremely useful but output doesn't drop to zero without it.

> Farming existed before weed killing.

Weed killing has been integral to farming since it's inception.^1 Chemical herbicides were popularized in the 19th century, which necessarily coincided with the modern population explosion.

^1 https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=1759....

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by Pakdef »

harles wrote: post #162
ramphastidae wrote: post #151

Society loves to make fun of those who choose organic produce, but avoiding glysophate is the main reason I do so, and it works: > Organic diet intervention significantly reduces urinary glyphosate levels in U.S. children and adults > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512...

I think organic is great. I just wish we didn’t put non-GMO in the same bucket. Give me GMO foods without pesticides.

I wish they would look at flavor, texture and other things that matter when doing GMOs...

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by thfuran »

its_bbq wrote: post #138
thfuran wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would pretty much mean no new chemicals could be used for anything ever.

Well that's a feature if we can't come up with chemicals that aren't harmful at industrial scale

"Not proven harmless" and "harmful" are very different things.
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