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Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by nemo44x »

microSnowball wrote: post #21

Not knowing anything about glyphosate, I went to the article before reading the comments. I’ll just put this here because it was clear the researchers wanted to be sure people see it. From the first paragraph of the article—> > In 2015, the International Agency for Research on Cancer determined that glyphosate is a “probable human carcinogen” (IARC, 2015). However, the European Food Safety Authority and the Joint Foo…

This article a carefully crafted piece of propaganda disguising itself as journalism. This is part (banning herbicides and pesticides) of the green movement. Of course, they forget why we use them in the first place.

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Post by yasp »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #47
rasz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a sense of here mister lobbyist this is a glass of perfectly safe glyphosate, drink it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA

Mister organic farmer, here is a plate of cow manure, eat it.

Safer than eating glyphosate (people actually do this).

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by nemo44x »

535188B17C93743 wrote: post #7
serpix wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need to kill weeds? Adapt and stop having lawns.

Lawns are awful for the environment, and lawn care is a large part of this. Why we still have golf courses in any area that is regularly in drought is beyond me.

Swimming pools are worse. Let’s ban those first.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by bsedlm »

nemo44x wrote: post #49

This is bad journalism. Glyphosate is not “linked” to cancer. Sone groups think it is “probably” a carcinogen but most every governing body around the world says it is not as there’s no proof of the link at all. This is probably not journalism but rather propaganda designed to rally public support around glyphosate bans which we have seen in Germany and now the Netherlands. Farmers can still use it of course, but the…

just to generalized bad health and possibly celiac disease

I'd say that part of the problem is that this chemical makes the gut flora sick, not the human... but given as the gut bacteria are symbiotic with us, we also suffer negative consequces which are harder to explain with strictly reductionist biomechanics

also I keep in mind the economic incentives and the sorry state of academic funding

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Post by dodgerdan »

microSnowball wrote: post #21

Not knowing anything about glyphosate, I went to the article before reading the comments. I’ll just put this here because it was clear the researchers wanted to be sure people see it. From the first paragraph of the article—> > In 2015, the International Agency for Research on Cancer determined that glyphosate is a “probable human carcinogen” (IARC, 2015). However, the European Food Safety Authority and the Joint Foo…

Monsanto settled a batch of civil cases regarding Roundup for $10bn. No one settle’s for that sum unless they’re guilty.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/business/roundup-settleme...

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by 41b696ef1113 »

pockethook wrote: post #30
checker wrote: post #3

How far off are we from having drones that mechanically remove weeds at a reasonable cost? It's ridiculous that we put up with spraying sketchy chemicals on our food. We can build loyal wingman drones to kill enemy aircraft but we can't kill weeds?? Edit: I'm talking about farming, not lawns. RTFA

Tensorfield Agriculture make robots that kill weeds with hot canola oil: https://tensorfield.ag/

That is amazing. I do not know anything about plants - is this approach generically applicable for all crops or are there limitations on what kinds of weeds are likely to grow in a field? For example: weeds in wheat fields are too visually similar/closely spaced/different life cycle than the cash crop for this to work?

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Post by parineum »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #17
pfdietz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me express my utter lack of confidence in your statement's connection to reality. The "gluten intolerance" should be a strong warning sign of Woo.

Don't see any citations on either side of this discussion. WHO says yes [0] while EPA says "not likely" [1]. Until the experts agree people can decide for themselves what risks they consider acceptable. Or at least they can if they can afford buying from farmers who don't yet use the chemical. [0] https://www.iarc.fr/featured-news/media-centre-iarc-news-gly... [1] https://www.epa.gov/pesticides/epa-releases-draft-ris…

WHO doesn't say "yes" they say "probably". Same category as very hot water (65c).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IARC_group_2A

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Post by convolvatron »

pockethook wrote: post #30
checker wrote: post #3

How far off are we from having drones that mechanically remove weeds at a reasonable cost? It's ridiculous that we put up with spraying sketchy chemicals on our food. We can build loyal wingman drones to kill enemy aircraft but we can't kill weeds?? Edit: I'm talking about farming, not lawns. RTFA

Tensorfield Agriculture make robots that kill weeds with hot canola oil: https://tensorfield.ag/

carbon robotics makes a diesel powered rig that identifies leaf shapes with ML and burns the non-crops with a laser.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by Bjorkbat »

Well, if it truly is tied to cancer, I'll be sure to let Hacker News know.

Back in college I was paid $50 to wear a backpack sprayer loaded with the stuff and go nuclear on a guy's weed-infested garden. Backpack sprayers leak, so I got glyphosate all over my skin, my back in particular.

It's been a little more than 10 years, so nothing, but then again, I'm also only 32, live a fairly healthy lifestyle, and have no family history of cancer, so maybe it just sort of cancels itself out.

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