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System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by nrp »

trelane wrote: post #280
hedora wrote: post #227

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I worked on some proprietary thing (not a laptop) and mid seven figures sounds about right for just the motherboard, case, etc. Our thing was more custom than the framework, but mid seven figures sounds like a steal. Does that include making Linux be reliable on it? (5 engineers total on the EE/mechanical/industrial engineering and SW bringup teams * 4 year product lifespan is mid seven figures, just for salary. That…

It is built for and comes with Windows or no OS, so I'm dubious about it as a Linux platform. AFAICT, you have to be intentional about Linux support due to the 800 lb gorilla in the market. Like System76, the firmware is open source, so perhaps after a while it'll work.

Linux compatibility for popular distros: https://frame.work/linux

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jacooper »

driverdan wrote: post #142
jacooper wrote: post #120

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I have a 24 1080P ultrawide, and its perfectly fine. So I think 15 with 1080p is going to be pretty good.

Have you tried a 24" screen that's higher res? You won't want to go back to 1080 after.

You are probably correct, My main monitor is a cheap Ultrawide. However even if I used a 27 4K display, 15" with 1080p is almost the same sharpness as 27 4K.

Its why I don't really see a need for higher than 1080p on mobile phones, can you even see the difference?

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by trelane »

nrp wrote: post #291
trelane wrote: post #280

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It is built for and comes with Windows or no OS, so I'm dubious about it as a Linux platform. AFAICT, you have to be intentional about Linux support due to the 800 lb gorilla in the market. Like System76, the firmware is open source, so perhaps after a while it'll work.

Linux compatibility for popular distros: https://frame.work/linux

Nice guide, but I've bitter experience with guides vs support.

Edit: sure enough. Several little gotchas and obscure commands even with the top-line distro, fedora.

From the crowd sourced setup guide (https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Fedora+36+Installation+on+th...)

> If you are seeing high suspend power drain, set "nvme.noacpi=1" in your kernel parameters. In Fedora, you can do this by running the following command: sudo grubby --update-kernel=ALL --args="nvme.noacpi=1"

> sudo grubby --update-kernel=ALL --args="module_blacklist=hid_sensor_hub"

Yeah, no. This is not what I would consider supporting Linux. Are there more gotchas? Who knows? Nobody's checking until its released!

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by baxuz »

philliphaydon wrote: post #199
everdrive wrote: post #172

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>THE TOUCH PAD IS SO SMALL. Why do non-Mac Laptop users put up with such small touchpads? It is maddening. Some of these points are subjective. I used to be an Apple touchpad evangelist, but at some point they switched to having enormous touchpads without any buttons. (the touchpad is the button) I had a touchbar Macbook Pro, and I'd get accidental input from the touchpad with good regularity. I wanted the touchpad f…

I have the new DELL XPS 15. WOW I Hate the large trackpad. It’s soooo annoying. I can no longer move my thumb down and back again without random screens flying around due to gestures cos my palm touches the corner. Giant trackpads are terrible. I miss my Lenovo nipple.

That's because Apple does palm rejection correctly. Probably the best in the industry when it comes to any form of touch input.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Gareth321 »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #202
shalmanese wrote: post #187

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It's impossible to generalize across a broad range of use because each person's needs are different and non-negotiable. We've had plenty of examples of totally tech illiterate people using linux with zero problems since 1999 but they're totally irrelevant because they happen to be the people who are on the narrow set of rails that don't touch linux's rough edges. To make a convincing case, you have to move beyond ane…

How about we also include how MS infiltrated the education system with hidden incentives and essentially forced training in a non-free user hostile operating system to multiple genrations of people? I think people had to learn Windows. They can learn Linux. The excuses are bs. Schools should teach unix/linux, and not proprietary systems. We should expect people to learn new things to be able to operate new tools. Tha…

> How about we also include how MS infiltrated the education system with hidden incentives and essentially forced training in a non-free user hostile operating system to multiple genrations of people?

When was the last time you used Windows? Microsoft employees a small army of user experience designers to ensure it’s a great experience. It’s not perfect, but I can do everything I need to do using the GUI.

This isn’t a case of learning how to do the same thing differently. The GUI is objectively better for most consumer use cases. Linux, for better and worse, relies more heavily on CLI.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by madduci »

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

> the Linux desktop is RC Cola, and MacOS is Genuine Coke Cola

It all depends on how you want to use the computer and what are your daily driver apps.

Gnome Shell and KDE are wonderfully polished and work great also with multiple monitors out of the box, XFCE is pretty fast and functional.

About your wife that can't use it? Mine is using Manjaro+KDE since years and never had problems, the switch from then-Windows 7 world was pretty no-brainer. It all burns down on how you approach a new system.

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Post by Gareth321 »

Volundr wrote: post #256
Saris wrote: post #221

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Changing mouse acceleration settings is one I ran into, there was no option in the UI at all and google searches brought up config file edits that went completely over my head. I think it was on either Pop or Fedora KDE. In windows it will come up by typing 'mouse' into start.

At least on my Arch KDE setup it's System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse and I've got an Acceleration Profile option between Flat or Adaptive. I can also just open up the settings and search for "acceleration" to get there. I can also just pop open the "start menu" (or whatever you choose to call it for KDE) and type "acceleration" and the first option is "Mouse" I'm not sure if Windows has finer grained control…

Sadly this isn’t so easy on Ubuntu. And it’s not like we can tell everyone to “just use Arch,” because Arch has its own tough edges.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by tssva »

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

When I used MacOS I had to spend at least as much time at the command line as I do with Linux. If we are going to rate OS's by how much time is needed at the command line I think Windows is likely to win that battle.

I found MacOS not any more usable or stable than Windows had been on my prior laptop. The hardware was less reliable than the Thinkpad my MacBook Pro replaced and repairs were outrageously expensive. I have switched back to a Thinkpad which recently had Windows replaced by Pop!_OS because as of kernel 5.17 the laptop finally gets similar battery life running Linux as it does Windows. I would never consider a MacBook again.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Gareth321 »

trelane wrote: post #264
Saris wrote: post #221

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Changing mouse acceleration settings is one I ran into, there was no option in the UI at all and google searches brought up config file edits that went completely over my head. I think it was on either Pop or Fedora KDE. In windows it will come up by typing 'mouse' into start.

This does not require CLI. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/mouse-sensiti... GNOME tweak tool has even more options, also from a GUI: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Tweaks

That adjusts speed, not acceleration. Tweak Tool is indeed what’s needed, but it’s not apparent to a newbie. I spent hours finding that particular app when I first used Ubuntu. It’s absurd that that kind of functionality isn’t built in.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by toastal »

rg111 wrote: post #266
toastal wrote: post #232

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Yes and no. A lot of folks would be afraid to fiddle with their BIOS settings. Reading that step could scare some users off from trying—especially the sound of “disable ‘secure boot’”—but it's nothing a future Linux user should be scared of.

If you are afraid to fiddle with your BIOS, should you even be using Linux?

People shouldn't be afraid of technology, but we gotta come from a place of empathy—especially with people that are too old to have never gotten into PCs or now the younger generation who was raised on apps and mobile OS where even the file system is hidden, but really anyone can apply here. Linux, BSDs, et. al. should be for everyone. This includes easy-to-use interface for users with little current technical knowledge but also which means keeping some distros and DEs that don't belittle the experience power user.
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