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Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Monsanto settled a batch of civil cases regarding Roundup for $10bn. No one settle’s for that sum unless they’re guilty. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/business/roundup-settleme...

That’s not how lawsuits work. At all.

You do have to have a dim outlook on your prospects of winning to agree to pay out 10 billion.

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#113

I always thought GMO was used to make plants resistant to diseases and pests but in reality these plants are resistant to one thing only. Monsanto's chemicals.

Some genetic modification does make plants pest resistant. For instance, Bt corn is pest resistant without the need of additional pesticides.

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Not knowing anything about glyphosate, I went to the article before reading the comments. I’ll just put this here because it was clear the researchers wanted to be sure people see it. From the first paragraph of the article—> > In 2015, the International Agency for Research on Cancer determined that glyphosate is a “probable human carcinogen” (IARC, 2015). However, the European Food Safety Authority and the Joint Foo…

The back and forth with regulatory agencies is so frustrating. Another user here pointed out a while back that the better regulatory model, when it comes to health, is to put the onus on the supplier. We must scientifically prove the thing is safe to use, not have to prove it is unsafe to be removed.

>We must scientifically prove the thing is safe to use, not have to prove it is unsafe to be removed.

Wait... so every restaurant has to show scientific proof that each of their ingredients are safe to use?

I'm pretty sure that is an impossible standard to meet.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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In a sense of here mister lobbyist this is a glass of perfectly safe glyphosate, drink it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA

The dose makes the poison. It’s possible for a chemical to be perfectly safe if ingested in low quantities but dangerous in extremely high quantities. The duration of exposure for the same dose matters a lot too. Drinking glyphosate could be a much larger acute exposure so it’s perfectly reasonable to say it’s safe as normally used but not want to drink it. For example, you need trace amounts of copper to live, but v…

> Drinking glyphosate could be a much larger acute exposure so it’s perfectly reasonable to say it’s safe as normally used but not want to drink it.

It's a short video. But, you are commenting without even having watched it.

The executive said that glyphosate is so safe that it is safe to drink. When the interviewer then said that they have a glass of glyphosate and asked if the exec would like to drink it, the executive replied, "No. I'm not stupid." He said that twice.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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"Safer" oh boy... That's why it's hard to take some "nature is perfect" people seriously (of course it's dose dependant, but don't eat manure. period) Here's a good writeup https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880910/

Safer depends how much cow manure is eaten vs how much glyphosate. Although cow manure also has various microorganisms in it so if you got really unlucky with the wrong type of even one of those in the manure a little bit of shit could make you very sick (edit: as you point out, but my point is eating more shit exposes you to more of these on average). Don’t eat shit or drink 1000x or 1000000x doses of something that…

That's the point, though. From the article, the urine of 80% of the people was laced with glyphosate. It's not about a single ingestion but about it building up in the body.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The back and forth with regulatory agencies is so frustrating. Another user here pointed out a while back that the better regulatory model, when it comes to health, is to put the onus on the supplier. We must scientifically prove the thing is safe to use, not have to prove it is unsafe to be removed.

>We must scientifically prove the thing is safe to use, not have to prove it is unsafe to be removed. Wait... so every restaurant has to show scientific proof that each of their ingredients are safe to use? I'm pretty sure that is an impossible standard to meet.

You're overthinking this a little. If Monsanto comes up with a new weedkiller, they have to prove that its safe for humans before its put into use. It has nothing to do with restaurants. Obviously stuff would be grandfathered in as well. But its a fantastic idea going forward.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Maybe one day we can skip plants and weedkillers by using artificial process to make food. Photosynthesis is not very efficient either. Less land for farms and more forests.

Eat meat like our ancestors did perhaps? Fat is only dangerous if it can stick to sugar. Sugar molecules are like little daggers that attach to arteries.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

#120

Not knowing anything about glyphosate, I went to the article before reading the comments. I’ll just put this here because it was clear the researchers wanted to be sure people see it. From the first paragraph of the article—> > In 2015, the International Agency for Research on Cancer determined that glyphosate is a “probable human carcinogen” (IARC, 2015). However, the European Food Safety Authority and the Joint Foo…

People who have been exposed to the chemical got cancer. Internal Monsanto documents show the link and their concern. A man got a court to rule in his favour for 289 million dollars, after the jury saw this evidence: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/10/monsanto-tr...

People who have been exposed to got cancer, but that is meaningless in showing causation. Internal documents show concern, but show no evidence that it causes cancer, or that Monsanto had internal data showing it caused cancer.
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