After 10 years of Mac I was ready to give up and switch to System76. Then M1 happened, I don't see myself moving from Mac for the next decade.
System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
#262I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…
It should be noted that jmondi review is talking about the previous model. The one the article is talking about hasn't been out long enough for his post to be about lemp11. That doesn't mean it's changed enough that it's not still valid, but it was a different model of the Lemur Pro (likely lemp10)
Yes yes this is definitely the case. Bought my Lemur Pro in late 2019 and used it until I got my M1 MBp
Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the issue is much less shiny/matte and much more high-res/low-res. It seems to be a point of pride in the Linux community that low-res screens are sufficient. Maybe it's because only Apple has figured out how to do both high-res and long battery life/low weight in a single system. The ultrabooks (air clones) are all struggling to replicate it. My 4k XPS13 has atrocious battery life. The only way that this mac…
I don't know if there's data to support this but from what I can tell Linux users are just poorer on average. So it's not like they think low res screens are "sufficient", most of them just don't think it's justified to pay twice as much for a better screen and the market just reflects this. Or maybe I'm just projecting my own views on the issue. Doesn't matter though because things are changing, native Linux device…
> I don't know if there's data to support this but from what I can tell Linux users are just poorer on average.
> Or maybe I'm just projecting my own views on the issue.
Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you name one thing that a NOOB-friendly Linux requires the command line for that a technically illiterate user can accomplish in MacOS / Windows?
Changing mouse acceleration settings is one I ran into, there was no option in the UI at all and google searches brought up config file edits that went completely over my head. I think it was on either Pop or Fedora KDE. In windows it will come up by typing 'mouse' into start.
This does not require CLI. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/mouse-sensiti...
GNOME tweak tool has even more options, also from a GUI: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Tweaks
Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
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I don't want to comment much on the rest, but the whole trope of: a Linux machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable with the cli" needs to die. My partner is essentially computer illiterate (she didn't know about keyboard shortcuts, even for copy paste before we met and still doesn't really use them) and has been using my old Ubuntu laptop for years. The only thing I do is tell her from time to time not just t…
The issue is that open source distributions don't have access to the level of testing and quality control that the proprietary desktop duopoly do. Microsoft and Apple can spend millions of dollars to make it very unlikely that a system update will break your system. And even if when it breaks, there is such a large user base that a solution will usually be easy to find. Linux ditros don't have that. In my experience,…
And yet, I have never heard of a Linux update which bricked your system, something that has happened with both Windows and OSX.
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/this-macos-update-is-bricking...
https://www.itpro.com/hardware/358739/apple-releases-macos-u...
https://www.laptopmag.com/news/windows-10-update-now-brickin...
Searching Linux update bricking systems brought up nothing relevant. The closest I could find was a forum post by a user complaining about the update bricking their “experimental system”.
The Macos examples are particularly bad. Bricking systems with logic boards replaced by Apple repair and because you connected to “unauthorized” USB devices.
Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
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Lenovo news was just a click bait which meant nothing. You can install FOSS OS as well as 5 years ago.
Yes and no. A lot of folks would be afraid to fiddle with their BIOS settings. Reading that step could scare some users off from trying—especially the sound of “disable ‘secure boot’”—but it's nothing a future Linux user should be scared of.
If you are afraid to fiddle with your BIOS, should you even be using Linux?
Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
#267Apple's 20-hours claims are actually real. I wonder how real these are. My experience with Linux has seen claims like this melt down to 2-3 hours in normal use .
That is not my experience at all. Running Debian, my 7 years old cheapo 4th gen Intel laptop on its original battery still gets a good 6 hours of battery life.
If a laptop gets much worse battery life on Linux that's a good indication that its hardware is not supported. It may be for example a dGPU that is not initialized properly and sips power as a result.
Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
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I have the new DELL XPS 15. WOW I Hate the large trackpad. It’s soooo annoying. I can no longer move my thumb down and back again without random screens flying around due to gestures cos my palm touches the corner. Giant trackpads are terrible. I miss my Lenovo nipple.
Macs detect (99% of the time) when you accidentally brush the pad instead of meaning it.
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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
#269I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…
> PopOS is great! It is definitely one of the best Linux desktops I’ve used. Manjaro gives it a nice run for it’s money… But.. next year is going to be the year of the Linux desktop! No disrespect to @jeremy_soller, because he is doing a killer job on Pop, but even in 2022, the Linux desktop is RC Cola, and MacOS is Genuine Coke Cola. I’m sure there are die hard RC Cola fans, but most of the world will definitely still prefer Coke Cola.
I believe your understanding of Linux as a desktop is woefully outdated, by perhaps over a decade. As someone who has to use all 3 big desktop operating systems for work (Linux via Pop!_OS, Windows, and macOS) and has used nearly every iteration of each operating system over the past 2 decades, I don't know how you came to this conclusion. The only area I could see macOS beating out Pop is in UX... if I didn't know how to use a computer and wanted the most frustrating experience available but also didn't know better.
This isn't just my take either - older, completely tech-illiterate family members of mine have tried out various laptops over the years that ran all of the operating systems (adding onto those big 3 OSes, they've also tried ChromeOS), and as of right now, every laptop in my family runs Pop!_OS. When it comes time for them to upgrade their laptops, they specifically ask if I'll be able to setup Pop on their new machines. They do not have to muck around in terminals or anything like that - I setup Pop, teach them how to update it and how to perform the basic tasks they need, and the laptop remains operational for years. Compared to when they were on Windows and macOS, I get significantly fewer support calls throughout the year when they're on Pop.
Not only is macOS UX, security, and performance lackluster compared to Linux, but it's also not even close to being as widely adopted as you claim to make it the "Coca Cola of operating systems". Windows holds that title, and that's solely due to how pervasive Windows is throughout schools and businesses, along with the fact that the vast majority of schools (at least in the US) teach students how to use Microsoft-based software like Office.
Even if I had to use a Macbook (which I would never), Pop would be installed onto it from day 1, or else I'd opt to not use the laptop all together. Even if the Macbook has superior hardware to another laptop, if the Macbook has to run macOS and the other laptop runs Pop!_OS, I'd use the other laptop.
This doesn't even touch on the fact that Linux is an open and free operating system (which again, this is a non-negotiable must-have), whereas macOS is heavily locked down and closed source. Nor does it touch on the fact that modern Linux can play nearly every Windows game with little to no issues and it generally just works 'out of the box' or needs a few applications installed, whereas the same cannot be said for macOS - there's much more work required within the terminal to achieve a lesser, often buggier result.
While I agree with you that the overall build quality of the Lemur Pro isn't as polished as a Macbook (which is why I opted for a Framework laptop recently, in fact) and other physical aspects of the machine like its touchpad, I disagree completely with your assessment of the operating systems. Pop!_OS on a M1 Macbook would be a better experience than macOS on a Macbook.
Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life
#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't want to comment much on the rest, but the whole trope of: a Linux machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable with the cli" needs to die. My partner is essentially computer illiterate (she didn't know about keyboard shortcuts, even for copy paste before we met and still doesn't really use them) and has been using my old Ubuntu laptop for years. The only thing I do is tell her from time to time not just t…
The issue is that open source distributions don't have access to the level of testing and quality control that the proprietary desktop duopoly do. Microsoft and Apple can spend millions of dollars to make it very unlikely that a system update will break your system. And even if when it breaks, there is such a large user base that a solution will usually be easy to find. Linux ditros don't have that. In my experience,…
> The issue is that open source distributions don't have access to the level of testing and quality control that the proprietary desktop duopoly do.
In the case of Windows, there's a lot of onus on the OEM. Of course, most OEMs will not test Linux at all, so either you find a vendor that supports Linux or you YOLO it. Of course, if you YOLO, you're so helping ensure the market continues to make _more_ Windows-only hardware, so you can look forward to even more YOLO.
> I wish there were more competition in the commercial space,
Unlike in previous decades*, you actually can buy laptops with Linux pre-installed, from vendors that actually support it. This is huge.
If you want Linux that Just Works, for the love of God, stop buying Windows hardware. Sometimes I think the smartest thing Apple ever did was require Apple hardware to run OSX.
*Ask this greybeard how he knows.